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This post made me chuckle. It's basically: I don't know about it, therefore it's scary! But like, what do you know about the FDIC that you don't know about the

This post made me chuckle. It's basically: I don't know about it, therefore it's scary! But like, what do you know about the FDIC that you don't know about the NCUA? I suspect to most people they're both just opaque blobs of the US Federal government that insure deposits up to $250,000, and that's the limit of most people's understanding of either organization. If you're not confident in the NCUA, I'm not sure what extra information you could possibly have that would make you suddenly confident in the FDIC.

latchkey 4y ago
> I don't know about it, therefore it's scary! What's wrong with that? Seriously, belittling someone because they don't know about something, so therefore they'd rather avoid it, doesn't seem right either. I know about FDIC. I understand the rules. My bank has a great explainer on their website about the coverage. I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn, because I'm already protected at the bank that I'm at.
- kerkeslager 4y ago
  My intent wasn't to belittle anyone and I apologize if it came across that way.
- 1123581321 4y ago
  It’s wrong because you weren’t just trying to avoid it personally; you were trying to scare others away by confidently declaring a problem (“a big one”) while knowing you were ignorant about it.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    Wow, HN is really bringing out the asshats today. This is what I was responding to: > I could not tell you whether it's more or less vulnerable to market instability or bank runs than a larger bank. There was no 'confidence'. What I said was true, it isn't FDIC insured. Geez, I'm not trying to "scare" anyone, you're making that shit up. Now, if I'm _ignorant_ to the other ways it is insured, great, educate me, but don't be a dick about it.
    - kerkeslager 4y ago
      > Now, if I'm _ignorant_ to the other ways it is insured, great, educate me, but don't be a dick about it. When someone tried to educate you, you responded with: "Functionally it is declared the same in all the googling that I've done, but in practice, are they? I don't know, and personally, I don't really want to find out." Do you see how maybe that's a bit FUD?
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      > I don't really want to find out Why use this sort of language? > What I said was true, it isn't FDIC insured. But it is a banal truth, because they are simply insured by a different agency. > I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn So you were motivated by apathy and content in ignorance, rather than trying to scare people, with your language. Still a bad choice because it shows that you're not seriously trying to engage in a discussion and learn about a subject.
      - latchkey 4y ago
        I've already learned about the subject from the other helpful comments that didn't dig into what I was saying. Now, you're the 3rd person to come quote my statements, instead of being helpful. Geez, what is wrong with you?
        kerkeslager 4y ago
        If multiple people are coming out of the woodwork to quote your statements, perhaps consider that they aren't the ones in the wrong.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        I am being helpful. I'm helping you understand what kind of unsubstantiative language cause others to object to your statements. Now you know what the faux pas is. Perhaps next time, you won't check out of your own conversation by saying, "I don't really want to find out" and "I don't care to learn." A spirit of inquisitiveness is necessary for any productive discussion.
- toast0 4y ago
  > I know about FDIC. I understand the rules. My bank has a great explainer on their website about the coverage. I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn, The rules are pretty much the same. A credit union is likely to have the same kind of explainer that tells you the same stuff, except there's magic words like 'share account' instead of 'savings account' and 'member' instead of 'account holder'. And credit unions have to have some 'affinity' requirement. Most credit unions these days just have a geographic requirement (live, work, or worship in a list of counties), but some require a connection to some company or organization, but for otherwise national credit unions, there's often a 'loophole' way to get affiliated; you can often make a trivial one-time donation to become a member of an affiliate supporting organization and then get into the credit union. There's a little bit of smoke and mirrors there, to support the creative fiction that credit unions aren't just banks, but they pretty much are. Just like banks, some are good and some are bad, some will fail in the near future, some won't, and deposits under the $250k threshold are explicitly insured. Updates to rules that affect banks usually lead to updates that affect credit unions, but it sometimes takes a little while longer. You'll also get notices about board of supervisors elections, which you won't for a bank with stockholders, but might get for a mutual bank.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    They're essentially non-profit banks, which is a significant difference.
    - toast0 4y ago
      It's certainly a difference, but then it's like a mutual bank that's actually mutual. Given that there are 6,940 FDIC institutions and 6,815 U.S. credit unions (according to another poster), one should choose from the commodity that is banking institutions based on the services of the bank or credit union. I bank with two credit unions that are former aerospace employee credit unions; one of them gets most of my business because they offer a savings rate of 2.1%, the other one offers 3.0% on the first $500, and 0.5% on the rest. The second one has branches (or at least something that looks and smells like a branch, but doesn't touch cash), which was helpful during the pandemic when I couldn't get in for shared branching. I really should move my savings to a commercial bank, where I can get 3.6%, but I haven't been inspired enough yet. Sure, the commercial bank may be making a profit, but they're giving their depositors more, and that's really what I'm looking for in a banking relationship.

latchkey 4y ago

> I don't know about it, therefore it's scary! What's wrong with that? Seriously, belittling someone because they don't know about something, so therefore they'd rather avoid it, doesn't seem right either. I know about FDIC. I understand the rules. My bank has a great explainer on their website about the coverage. I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn, because I'm already protected at the bank that I'm at.

kerkeslager 4y ago
My intent wasn't to belittle anyone and I apologize if it came across that way.
1123581321 4y ago
It’s wrong because you weren’t just trying to avoid it personally; you were trying to scare others away by confidently declaring a problem (“a big one”) while knowing you were ignorant about it.
- latchkey 4y ago
  Wow, HN is really bringing out the asshats today. This is what I was responding to: > I could not tell you whether it's more or less vulnerable to market instability or bank runs than a larger bank. There was no 'confidence'. What I said was true, it isn't FDIC insured. Geez, I'm not trying to "scare" anyone, you're making that shit up. Now, if I'm _ignorant_ to the other ways it is insured, great, educate me, but don't be a dick about it.
  - kerkeslager 4y ago
    > Now, if I'm _ignorant_ to the other ways it is insured, great, educate me, but don't be a dick about it. When someone tried to educate you, you responded with: "Functionally it is declared the same in all the googling that I've done, but in practice, are they? I don't know, and personally, I don't really want to find out." Do you see how maybe that's a bit FUD?
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    > I don't really want to find out Why use this sort of language? > What I said was true, it isn't FDIC insured. But it is a banal truth, because they are simply insured by a different agency. > I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn So you were motivated by apathy and content in ignorance, rather than trying to scare people, with your language. Still a bad choice because it shows that you're not seriously trying to engage in a discussion and learn about a subject.
    - latchkey 4y ago
      I've already learned about the subject from the other helpful comments that didn't dig into what I was saying. Now, you're the 3rd person to come quote my statements, instead of being helpful. Geez, what is wrong with you?
      - kerkeslager 4y ago
        If multiple people are coming out of the woodwork to quote your statements, perhaps consider that they aren't the ones in the wrong.
      - Apocryphon 4y ago
        I am being helpful. I'm helping you understand what kind of unsubstantiative language cause others to object to your statements. Now you know what the faux pas is. Perhaps next time, you won't check out of your own conversation by saying, "I don't really want to find out" and "I don't care to learn." A spirit of inquisitiveness is necessary for any productive discussion.
toast0 4y ago
> I know about FDIC. I understand the rules. My bank has a great explainer on their website about the coverage. I don't know anything about NCUA and I don't care to learn, The rules are pretty much the same. A credit union is likely to have the same kind of explainer that tells you the same stuff, except there's magic words like 'share account' instead of 'savings account' and 'member' instead of 'account holder'. And credit unions have to have some 'affinity' requirement. Most credit unions these days just have a geographic requirement (live, work, or worship in a list of counties), but some require a connection to some company or organization, but for otherwise national credit unions, there's often a 'loophole' way to get affiliated; you can often make a trivial one-time donation to become a member of an affiliate supporting organization and then get into the credit union. There's a little bit of smoke and mirrors there, to support the creative fiction that credit unions aren't just banks, but they pretty much are. Just like banks, some are good and some are bad, some will fail in the near future, some won't, and deposits under the $250k threshold are explicitly insured. Updates to rules that affect banks usually lead to updates that affect credit unions, but it sometimes takes a little while longer. You'll also get notices about board of supervisors elections, which you won't for a bank with stockholders, but might get for a mutual bank.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  They're essentially non-profit banks, which is a significant difference.
  - toast0 4y ago
    It's certainly a difference, but then it's like a mutual bank that's actually mutual. Given that there are 6,940 FDIC institutions and 6,815 U.S. credit unions (according to another poster), one should choose from the commodity that is banking institutions based on the services of the bank or credit union. I bank with two credit unions that are former aerospace employee credit unions; one of them gets most of my business because they offer a savings rate of 2.1%, the other one offers 3.0% on the first $500, and 0.5% on the rest. The second one has branches (or at least something that looks and smells like a branch, but doesn't touch cash), which was helpful during the pandemic when I couldn't get in for shared branching. I really should move my savings to a commercial bank, where I can get 3.6%, but I haven't been inspired enough yet. Sure, the commercial bank may be making a profit, but they're giving their depositors more, and that's really what I'm looking for in a banking relationship.