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I started working willingly at 15, setting up networks and routers in then-booming internet cafés. It were part-time jobs, of course. At 17 I managed to get a g

by voytec 4y ago

I started working willingly at 15, setting up networks and routers in then-booming internet cafés. It were part-time jobs, of course. At 17 I managed to get a government contract to set up a firewall at a military facility. I don't see anything wrong with underage labor if it is not forced and doesn't disrupt social life or school. I see more harm to kids from "social" networks.

matsemann 4y ago
It will be "forced", in the way that you can no longer support your family doing some jobs, so your kids have to work as well to avoid starving. The point here isn't to let children work, it's to have children work to avoid paying adult workers more.
vore 4y ago
There is something definitely wrong if the goal is to depress wages for adults working the same jobs doing the same thing.
ssnistfajen 4y ago
Can you read the article first? There's a big difference between IT jobs and working in meatpacking or construction.
- voytec 4y ago
  Will the new law only allow underage workers to get meatpacking or construction jobs? If not, I find your comment pointless. Some adults work in meatpacking or construction and other adults in IT.
  - warent 4y ago
    These children would be working alongside adults in hazardous industries. Some adults have sex with people twice their age and others don't. Using your logic, we can now legalize child sex exploitation
  - ssnistfajen 4y ago
    I find it hard to believe you are not being disingenuous but actually this clueless. Why do you think those jobs have trouble filling open positions? It's because employers don't want to pay higher wages to offset the unfavourable working conditions. Adults can see that's a bad deal, hence the labour shortage. Child labour law changes are meant to suppress wages by using children who either don't have enough diligence yet to realize this is a bad deal, or stuck in situations where saying no is not an option.
WalterSear 4y ago
That's an appalling take. These kids won't be installing wifi routers in cafes.
warent 4y ago
This has nothing to do with giving kids opportunity and volition. This is about giving corporations leverage to continue exploiting workers. Having children compete with adults in the market is going as far backwards as possible, leading to the US--what should be a very rich nation--to start utilizing Chinese and rural India manufacturing ideologies.
pixl97 4y ago
"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." --Voytec It's funny how we just keep rehashing the same issues and abuses over the last 200 years.
winrid 4y ago
Good for you. This isn't about you and how great you are. This is about how allowing kids to work will require your children to work to support the average family.

by voytec 4y ago

matsemann 4y ago

It will be "forced", in the way that you can no longer support your family doing some jobs, so your kids have to work as well to avoid starving. The point here isn't to let children work, it's to have children work to avoid paying adult workers more.

vore 4y ago

There is something definitely wrong if the goal is to depress wages for adults working the same jobs doing the same thing.

ssnistfajen 4y ago

Can you read the article first? There's a big difference between IT jobs and working in meatpacking or construction.

voytec 4y ago
Will the new law only allow underage workers to get meatpacking or construction jobs? If not, I find your comment pointless. Some adults work in meatpacking or construction and other adults in IT.
- warent 4y ago
  These children would be working alongside adults in hazardous industries. Some adults have sex with people twice their age and others don't. Using your logic, we can now legalize child sex exploitation
- ssnistfajen 4y ago
  I find it hard to believe you are not being disingenuous but actually this clueless. Why do you think those jobs have trouble filling open positions? It's because employers don't want to pay higher wages to offset the unfavourable working conditions. Adults can see that's a bad deal, hence the labour shortage. Child labour law changes are meant to suppress wages by using children who either don't have enough diligence yet to realize this is a bad deal, or stuck in situations where saying no is not an option.

WalterSear 4y ago

That's an appalling take. These kids won't be installing wifi routers in cafes.

warent 4y ago

This has nothing to do with giving kids opportunity and volition. This is about giving corporations leverage to continue exploiting workers. Having children compete with adults in the market is going as far backwards as possible, leading to the US--what should be a very rich nation--to start utilizing Chinese and rural India manufacturing ideologies.

pixl97 4y ago

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." --Voytec It's funny how we just keep rehashing the same issues and abuses over the last 200 years.

winrid 4y ago

Good for you. This isn't about you and how great you are. This is about how allowing kids to work will require your children to work to support the average family.