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Do you mean that you don’t agree with the criticism, or that you don’t understand why someone would dislike the story? I feel like the former is the more unders

Do you mean that you don’t agree with the criticism, or that you don’t understand why someone would dislike the story? I feel like the former is the more understandable sentiment, since the latter is just a matter of personal taste. After a quick read of critic and user reviews through metacritic, the complaints seem pretty consistent regardless of how I personally feel about them. A ton of them say the plot was barebones and predictable. Even the glowing reviews from critics seem to mention that the plot only gets the job done.

oefrha 4y ago
Being cliched and predictable isn’t even the biggest problem. The original Avatar story was cliched and predictable yet I enjoyed it. This Avatar 2 story on the other hand doesn’t even make sense. The kids were captured and rescued three times in a single movie which is beyond ridiculous. Quaritch had his hostages but kept making empty threats and basically stood there watching his men taken down around him without doing anything. The water clan simply disappeared halfway into the final battle while clan leader’s daughter was still held hostage. What a mess.
- senko 4y ago
  Having rewatched A1 a few times in the past few weeks (my kids rediscovered it), the original's story really doesn't make much sense if you think twice. Once I understood that in both cases the story is there just so Cameron can do his worldbuilding, I enjoyed both films very much.
  - oefrha 4y ago
    I have watched A1 maybe five to six times. There's the occasional leap of faith (like the literal leap of faith onto Toruk), but overall it's a reasonable story for a movie. (I try not to think about the white savior theme.) A2 is a different beast. The conflicts in A2 can be described as: - Quaritch captures kids. - Quaritch: Sully, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued. - Quaritch captures kids, again. - Quaritch: Sully, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued, again. One dies from battle wound. - Quaritch captures kids, again. - Quaritch: Sully, same deal despite everything, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued, again.
    - beebeepka 4y ago
      The first trailer kind of telegraphed that it's going to be about family and stuff but oh boy. Sounds bad. I haven't seen it yet. Didn't want to torture myself with 24 FPS imax
      - senko 4y ago
        It's beautiful scenery, awesome effect and impressive world building. Do not watch it for the story or Avatar 2 will chew you up and spit you out.
    - senko 4y ago
      Maybe he was bluffing because he knows dead hostages are worse than live hostages? If you can stomach Quarich being okay with being reborn into the thing he hates the most, or everyone important that died in A1 being reborn, or the fact humans don't simply nuke the Navi from the orbit, or the fact that unobtanium is not as important as miracle whale oil, .... then Quarich bluffing and being called on it and then trying to repeat the bluff is not SO far fetched.

oefrha 4y ago

Being cliched and predictable isn’t even the biggest problem. The original Avatar story was cliched and predictable yet I enjoyed it. This Avatar 2 story on the other hand doesn’t even make sense. The kids were captured and rescued three times in a single movie which is beyond ridiculous. Quaritch had his hostages but kept making empty threats and basically stood there watching his men taken down around him without doing anything. The water clan simply disappeared halfway into the final battle while clan leader’s daughter was still held hostage. What a mess.

senko 4y ago
Having rewatched A1 a few times in the past few weeks (my kids rediscovered it), the original's story really doesn't make much sense if you think twice. Once I understood that in both cases the story is there just so Cameron can do his worldbuilding, I enjoyed both films very much.
- oefrha 4y ago
  I have watched A1 maybe five to six times. There's the occasional leap of faith (like the literal leap of faith onto Toruk), but overall it's a reasonable story for a movie. (I try not to think about the white savior theme.) A2 is a different beast. The conflicts in A2 can be described as: - Quaritch captures kids. - Quaritch: Sully, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued. - Quaritch captures kids, again. - Quaritch: Sully, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued, again. One dies from battle wound. - Quaritch captures kids, again. - Quaritch: Sully, same deal despite everything, come alone and surrender, or I kill your kids. - Sully doesn't come alone and doesn't surrender. Quaritch leaves kids alone. Quaritch's men die, kids rescued, again.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    The first trailer kind of telegraphed that it's going to be about family and stuff but oh boy. Sounds bad. I haven't seen it yet. Didn't want to torture myself with 24 FPS imax
    - senko 4y ago
      It's beautiful scenery, awesome effect and impressive world building. Do not watch it for the story or Avatar 2 will chew you up and spit you out.
  - senko 4y ago
    Maybe he was bluffing because he knows dead hostages are worse than live hostages? If you can stomach Quarich being okay with being reborn into the thing he hates the most, or everyone important that died in A1 being reborn, or the fact humans don't simply nuke the Navi from the orbit, or the fact that unobtanium is not as important as miracle whale oil, .... then Quarich bluffing and being called on it and then trying to repeat the bluff is not SO far fetched.