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Despite the provocative title this seems well-intentioned. The scientific accuracy needs to be top-priority, these particular elements of the projections should

Despite the provocative title this seems well-intentioned. The scientific accuracy needs to be top-priority, these particular elements of the projections should be assessed and reevaluated if necessary.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
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- nickpeterson 4y ago
  I’m going to imagine you mean ‘pawn’ instead of tool here. Otherwise it feels pretty harsh for a young girl who just cares about earth.
  - UIUC_06 4y ago
    > a young girl who just cares about earth I imagine there are several 100M of those on the planet. Most do not get to address the UN, nor have well-off parents who are using her to get publicity that they couldn't get for their own views. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10059484/greta-thunberg-parents-malena-ernman-svante/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10059484/greta-thunberg-parent...
    - threeseed 4y ago
      > Most do not get to address the UN So the argument here is that there are tens of millions of children who are worried not about video games, TikTok, school etc but about how they are being denied the ability to speak at the UN ? And her parents appear to be upper middle-class given their careers have been limited in success.
  - favaq 4y ago
    When we talk about "Greta" we don't mean the "young girl", we mean all the propaganda machine that uses her as a tool.
- admax88qqq 4y ago
  What makes those people frauds?
  - threeseed 4y ago
    If your life is about in engaging in culture wars then you need enemies.
    - admax88qqq 4y ago
      Is Bill Gate's life really all about engaging in culture wars? I could see that argument moreso for Al Gore as he's a politician by trade but Gate's really? And even then, where do you personally draw the line between "engaging in culture wars" and "advocating for something you believe in"
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        I think they're talking about SV_BubbleTime.
        admax88qqq 4y ago
        Ah my b
- mrkeen 4y ago
  Perhaps a reply to the wrong comment? In what way were average people mentioned? Who are the villains? Who's going after them?
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    And why average people? If we waited for the average person to care about problems then that would usually cause action to be taken much later than ideal.
matthewdgreen 4y ago
I think the entire article could be summarized as “historically there were a bunch of scenarios projecting possible future emissions. We have made progress on reducing emissions, so therefore we should emphasize some of the lower-emissions scenarios and retire the high-emissions scenarios.” It’s an eminently reasonable request, one that should be celebrated. I don’t know why it’s necessary to write thousands of words impugning the scientific integrity of climate science. What is much scarier to me are possible effects of GHGs that could make any emissions path much worse. Methane levels seem to be increasing, which could make current projections obsolete very quickly.
anigbrowl 4y ago
Agreed, but organizations the the IPCC are famous for the level of caution and caveats on their predictions. It would be irresponsible for them to use provocative/apocalyptic predictions. But it seems equally irresponsible to use provocative titles on well-intentioned articles, given the extremely obvious likelihood that climate denialists will exploit the hyperbolic title to misrepresent the content and arguments of the paper.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

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nickpeterson 4y ago
I’m going to imagine you mean ‘pawn’ instead of tool here. Otherwise it feels pretty harsh for a young girl who just cares about earth.
- UIUC_06 4y ago
  > a young girl who just cares about earth I imagine there are several 100M of those on the planet. Most do not get to address the UN, nor have well-off parents who are using her to get publicity that they couldn't get for their own views. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10059484/greta-thunberg-parents-malena-ernman-svante/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10059484/greta-thunberg-parent...
  - threeseed 4y ago
    > Most do not get to address the UN So the argument here is that there are tens of millions of children who are worried not about video games, TikTok, school etc but about how they are being denied the ability to speak at the UN ? And her parents appear to be upper middle-class given their careers have been limited in success.
- favaq 4y ago
  When we talk about "Greta" we don't mean the "young girl", we mean all the propaganda machine that uses her as a tool.
admax88qqq 4y ago
What makes those people frauds?
- threeseed 4y ago
  If your life is about in engaging in culture wars then you need enemies.
  - admax88qqq 4y ago
    Is Bill Gate's life really all about engaging in culture wars? I could see that argument moreso for Al Gore as he's a politician by trade but Gate's really? And even then, where do you personally draw the line between "engaging in culture wars" and "advocating for something you believe in"
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      I think they're talking about SV_BubbleTime.
      - admax88qqq 4y ago
        Ah my b
mrkeen 4y ago
Perhaps a reply to the wrong comment? In what way were average people mentioned? Who are the villains? Who's going after them?
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  And why average people? If we waited for the average person to care about problems then that would usually cause action to be taken much later than ideal.

matthewdgreen 4y ago

I think the entire article could be summarized as “historically there were a bunch of scenarios projecting possible future emissions. We have made progress on reducing emissions, so therefore we should emphasize some of the lower-emissions scenarios and retire the high-emissions scenarios.” It’s an eminently reasonable request, one that should be celebrated. I don’t know why it’s necessary to write thousands of words impugning the scientific integrity of climate science. What is much scarier to me are possible effects of GHGs that could make any emissions path much worse. Methane levels seem to be increasing, which could make current projections obsolete very quickly.

anigbrowl 4y ago

Agreed, but organizations the the IPCC are famous for the level of caution and caveats on their predictions. It would be irresponsible for them to use provocative/apocalyptic predictions. But it seems equally irresponsible to use provocative titles on well-intentioned articles, given the extremely obvious likelihood that climate denialists will exploit the hyperbolic title to misrepresent the content and arguments of the paper.