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CIA propaganda. Detailed explanation from former CIA analyst Frank Snepp about how the newspapers and magazines you were taught to regard as mainstream and rel

CIA propaganda. Detailed explanation from former CIA analyst Frank Snepp about how the newspapers and magazines you were taught to regard as mainstream and reliable have always eagerly served as disinformation megaphones for the CIA and the US Security State. That's still true. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1589624331919060997 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1589624331919060997

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all
- pessimizer 4y ago
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  - stametseater 4y ago
    > The US has banned Russian media Some European countries may have, but America has not. I can still read RT just fine.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Which Russian media has been banned in the US?
  - jryle70 4y ago
    Ban? Are you in the US? can you access this? https://www.rt.com/ https://www.rt.com/
  - genghisjahn 4y ago
    I think you mean that the US banned Russian media companies that are controlled by the Kremlin. If there is something that we in the west would call a "free press" in Russia then those would not be banned. That's my take anyway. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics/us-russia-sanctions-media-companies-consulting-services/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics/us-russia-sanctions-...
  - thr717272 4y ago
    "The US" doesn't accuse anyone. We who know anything about Russia might however. And, I think if you look around a little you'll find access to outside information and options to distribute it way harder in Russia. Also, the lies they serve are hilarious: just today I saw a video with one of the chief propagandists claiming on TV that people in the UK hunt squirrels for food :-)
    - phonescreen_man 4y ago
      From the UK, there are definitely people in the UK who hunt squirrels for food. My people!
      - thr717272 4y ago
        I also have such a friend but only because it was near the end of hell week (or what you guys call it, my memory is a bit hazy what exact words he used 25 years ago), not because Russian sanctions made any starve :-)
  - anonymousiam 4y ago
    Even worse, the US is about to ban TikTok. At first I thought they were only going to ban it for government and contractor devices, but it seems now that it will be banned for everyone. I don't use TikTok and probably never will, but how is this bill even constitutionally legal? I understand the concerns about data collection, but the USG seems more concerned about WHO is doing the collecting rather than the collecting itself. If the concern is about the propagation of "disinformation", Amendment I of the US Constitution prohibits this sort of censoring. During WWII, allied troops in the South Pacific listened to "Tokyo Rose" with no interference from the USG. That was back in the day when US citizens did not need to be told what to think by their government. The Soviet Union had a strict censorship regime that the west referred to as "The Iron Curtain." China has "The Great Firewall" now. What will the world soon be calling ours? https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/7/23629469/restrict-act-bytedance-tiktok-ban-bipartisan-bill-warner https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/7/23629469/restrict-act-byte...
    - booleandilemma 4y ago
      I vote for Freedom Fence.
      - throwuwu 4y ago
        The Democracy Drape
    - ok_dad 4y ago
      > the US is about to ban TikTok There are a LOT more steps to making a bill a law[0] than this, so “about to” is pretty disingenuous. [0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo
      - anonymousiam 4y ago
        It's on the way to Biden's desk, and he has said that he will sign it. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/tech/biden-tiktok-bill/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/tech/biden-tiktok-bill/index....
  - timeon 4y ago
    > The US has banned Russian media You can still access Новая газета from US. Although this may change since their rights are continually being decreased in Russia where they are based. Anyway my point is that your claim is false.
kneebonian 4y ago
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cscurmudgeon 4y ago

This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

pessimizer 4y ago
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- stametseater 4y ago
  > The US has banned Russian media Some European countries may have, but America has not. I can still read RT just fine.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Which Russian media has been banned in the US?
- jryle70 4y ago
  Ban? Are you in the US? can you access this? https://www.rt.com/ https://www.rt.com/
- genghisjahn 4y ago
  I think you mean that the US banned Russian media companies that are controlled by the Kremlin. If there is something that we in the west would call a "free press" in Russia then those would not be banned. That's my take anyway. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics/us-russia-sanctions-media-companies-consulting-services/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics/us-russia-sanctions-...
- thr717272 4y ago
  "The US" doesn't accuse anyone. We who know anything about Russia might however. And, I think if you look around a little you'll find access to outside information and options to distribute it way harder in Russia. Also, the lies they serve are hilarious: just today I saw a video with one of the chief propagandists claiming on TV that people in the UK hunt squirrels for food :-)
  - phonescreen_man 4y ago
    From the UK, there are definitely people in the UK who hunt squirrels for food. My people!
    - thr717272 4y ago
      I also have such a friend but only because it was near the end of hell week (or what you guys call it, my memory is a bit hazy what exact words he used 25 years ago), not because Russian sanctions made any starve :-)
- anonymousiam 4y ago
  Even worse, the US is about to ban TikTok. At first I thought they were only going to ban it for government and contractor devices, but it seems now that it will be banned for everyone. I don't use TikTok and probably never will, but how is this bill even constitutionally legal? I understand the concerns about data collection, but the USG seems more concerned about WHO is doing the collecting rather than the collecting itself. If the concern is about the propagation of "disinformation", Amendment I of the US Constitution prohibits this sort of censoring. During WWII, allied troops in the South Pacific listened to "Tokyo Rose" with no interference from the USG. That was back in the day when US citizens did not need to be told what to think by their government. The Soviet Union had a strict censorship regime that the west referred to as "The Iron Curtain." China has "The Great Firewall" now. What will the world soon be calling ours? https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/7/23629469/restrict-act-bytedance-tiktok-ban-bipartisan-bill-warner https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/7/23629469/restrict-act-byte...
  - booleandilemma 4y ago
    I vote for Freedom Fence.
    - throwuwu 4y ago
      The Democracy Drape
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    > the US is about to ban TikTok There are a LOT more steps to making a bill a law[0] than this, so “about to” is pretty disingenuous. [0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo
    - anonymousiam 4y ago
      It's on the way to Biden's desk, and he has said that he will sign it. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/tech/biden-tiktok-bill/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/tech/biden-tiktok-bill/index....
- timeon 4y ago
  > The US has banned Russian media You can still access Новая газета from US. Although this may change since their rights are continually being decreased in Russia where they are based. Anyway my point is that your claim is false.

kneebonian 4y ago

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