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Ah I mean if you're hell bent on not being impressed by ChatGPT you don't have to be. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions too. It's already useful for tho

by zamnos 4y ago

Ah I mean if you're hell bent on not being impressed by ChatGPT you don't have to be. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions too. It's already useful for those in certain roles, the only question is what's the medium term situation with ChatGPT gonna be? It's free, with a paid option for now. Is it going to get shut down? is it going to go pay-only? or go away and only be available as BingGPT? If you're already using this for work (eg gptforwork.com) or play (https://gamesplayedbadly.com/2023/02/14/create-your-own-dd-adventure-with-chatgpt-you-wont-believe-what-happens-next/ https://gamesplayedbadly.com/2023/02/14/create-your-own-dd-a...), those are your real questions. Pundits and critics have a vested interest in predicting the future the way their readers want, but your time machine is as good as mine - it only goes 1 second per second and we'll get to the future at the same time. If your role doesn't involve things ChatGPT would be useful for (eg you're a blue collar carpenter), it doesn't seem very useful, but neither do computers or the Internet, really. They still revolutionized the world though, so do you want to be a buggy whip manufacturer, or a computer (the job, mostly employing women, prior to the advent of the digital computer and auto calculating spreadsheets, who performed the math for spreadsheets at accounting firms)? Or do you want to at least be aware of incoming trends. Crypto and web3 still has yet to have a clearly defined use case by anyone outside that industry. Meanwhile, anybody with a phone number can make an openAI account and try out ChatGPT. Some, like our carpenter, will walk away thinking it's neat but ultimately useless. Others simply won't be impressed, for whatever reason. Some will see immediate uses for it in their life and can't live without it again. Don't expect them to speak up about it either, they're too busy using it to write emails and make plans to be bothered to convince the haters.

ChatGTP 4y ago
If your role doesn't involve things ChatGPT would be useful for (eg you're a blue collar carpenter), it doesn't seem very useful, but neither do computers or the Internet, really. Are you freaking serious? Carpenters use computers all the time. Ever heard of CAD? Calculators? Talking to customers via email? Ordering materials, researching, I'm shocked actually this is how naive people are ? Crypto and web3 still has yet to have a clearly defined use case by anyone outside that industry. What exactly is the use case for ChatGPT? I mean it can do a bunch of different things, but to what degree really depends on a great deal of factors, so I don't really get your point. I actually think maybe this will be a problem for ChatGPT as a product in the future. It doesn't really do anything especially well and it's not clear when you should trust it to be correct. Maybe it will get 99.9% accurate soon, until then, will be interesting to see what actually happens when the novelty wears off. I do remember walking home from my friends house after using a VR headset about 6 years ago and thinking, well that's it, I'm going into the matrix. It's been 6 years and I've never had the need to use one again. Maybe when designing our house I would've liked to have put one on for 10 minutes to walk through the plans. ChatGPT I has had a similar effect for me, I used it, it was fun, didn't really have that much daily use for it, now it's just a tool, like many in my toolbag, I pull out of I can think of a good use for it, it sometimes yields good results, then I move on. Edit: Please if you down vote, I'd like to hear why, don't hate on people for having a difference of opinion.
- doix 4y ago
  My girlfriend uses it to write her Instagram captions. My nephews use it to do homework. Anywhere you need text written, it can generate something. Like you said, it might not be correct, but you can read what it tells you, you don't need to copy paste it verbatim. Rather than asking it a question, feed it some bullet points and watch it convert it into paragraphs. Read the paragraphs and remove anything extra it added. It probably saved you 10-20 minutes and lots of frustration depending on how much you hate writing. If you can't see the use for yourself, that's fine. But I really don't believe that you can't see how it would be useful to other people. I find it hilarious to compare with crypto, where the majority of projects are purely about speculation.
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Funny though, I actually know people who are still using crypto for various things. So you're kind of snarky remark about how I might not find ChatGPT useful also applies to people who use crypto too. Like I said I do use the GPT...when I see fit, mostly just when I want to see what it can do, or how it might do something different. Of course it can be useful in some ways. I still don't understand what the actual use of it is. ChatGPT comes with a disclaimer on the box which alerts you to the fact that it's basically an experiment and by using it, you're part of the experiment. Should a my lawyer use it when giving me legal advice even though we don't know that it's giving correct information? Should I use it instead of a doctor? Should your doctor use it in your next visit? I mean there is a chance that even OpenAI were never expecting it to blow up the way it did? People have become a little too defensive over a product because it talks?
  - mbwgh 4y ago
    > Anywhere you need text written, it can generate something. > Rather than asking it a question, feed it some bullet points and watch it convert it into paragraphs. Part of me is hopeful that this will have the effect of people recognizing that maybe a) The text didn't need to be written after all, or b) The bullet point you started out with, were enough after all. There is too much content being produced out of a notion of "something has to be here" for layout reasons, or because its simply what somebody expects. Probably, ubiquitous use of generative text model will worsen the signal-to-noise ratio we see in media today.
isaacremuant 4y ago
> Ah I mean if you're hell bent on not being impressed by ChatGPT you don't have to be. This is such a disingenuous strawman. You've just responded to a long argument with a lazy faux dismissal based on personality and animosity. The criticism are well laid out and sourced. It's about the hype and lies around it, not the tech itself. I appreciate the tech and dislike the lies and misunderstandings. If you just dismiss me as "a hater" you're part of the lie. > Pundits and critics have a vested interest in predicting the future the way their readers want, but your time machine is as good as mine - it only goes 1 second per second and we'll get to the future at the same time. Except that's a lie. And when the insights of people who stop and think instead of just buying into claims unquestionably are proven right years down the line we hear the old "oh, hindsight is 20 20". That's not accurate. We can reflect on things when they happen. No need to wait. > If your role doesn't involve things ChatGPT would be useful for (eg you're a blue collar carpenter), it doesn't seem very useful, but neither do computers or the Internet, really. False dichotomy. If you think chatgpt is solving a problem by generating text, are you qualified to judge that text for accuracy, could you have produced that text yourself? Why is it that chatgpt beats you, typing speed? Thinking speed? What are the risks of overlooking things by virtue of allegedly being handed an answer. Wizards can be useful but also dangerous. The point is to reflect about it and not dismiss anyone who doesn't just hype it up. > Or do you want to at least be aware of incoming trends. Your whole argument seems aimed at some luddite strawman when in reality it's people who love tech, love new things, appreciate Chatgpt and others forms of ML, but see the BS flying around and want to stay intentional and have conversations grounded in reality. > Don't expect them to speak up about it either, they're too busy using it to write emails and make plans to be bothered to convince the haters. Another empty dismissal. People are using it so any related criticism is "haters". Implicitly your whole comment just wants to, instead of engage in the conversation, derail it and dismiss it. Reminder, when there's hype, everyone and their mother wants to "cash in on the hype". It doesn't matter if they need to sell you a bridge. Going into specific and reasoned arguments is more productive, specially in a place like HN that should foster discussion instead of squashing it like parent poster is doing.
- zamnos 4y ago
  That's a pretty good takedown of my comment, I appreciate the effort that went into that, and, well, you make some fair points, but I went back and reread the post, and stand by my response. To me, Cory Doctorow isn't making any substantive arguments in the linked article that I feel are worth digging into. He denigrates ChatGPT as glorified auto complete but in the end, auto complete is... actually pretty useful? I do appreciate him bringing in Ted Chiang, I love that quote - "it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism". I haven't been exposed to Pluralistic before so maybe that's just his style there, but I think the difference between the hype around crypto and the hype around ChatGPT is that people in the world of finance are able to intuit where crypto fits, but people outside that world can't really appreciate that. ChatGPT; anyone who uses English can create their own account and play with it and see what the computer is doing. Sometimes hype is actually justified.

by zamnos 4y ago

ChatGTP 4y ago

If your role doesn't involve things ChatGPT would be useful for (eg you're a blue collar carpenter), it doesn't seem very useful, but neither do computers or the Internet, really. Are you freaking serious? Carpenters use computers all the time. Ever heard of CAD? Calculators? Talking to customers via email? Ordering materials, researching, I'm shocked actually this is how naive people are ? Crypto and web3 still has yet to have a clearly defined use case by anyone outside that industry. What exactly is the use case for ChatGPT? I mean it can do a bunch of different things, but to what degree really depends on a great deal of factors, so I don't really get your point. I actually think maybe this will be a problem for ChatGPT as a product in the future. It doesn't really do anything especially well and it's not clear when you should trust it to be correct. Maybe it will get 99.9% accurate soon, until then, will be interesting to see what actually happens when the novelty wears off. I do remember walking home from my friends house after using a VR headset about 6 years ago and thinking, well that's it, I'm going into the matrix. It's been 6 years and I've never had the need to use one again. Maybe when designing our house I would've liked to have put one on for 10 minutes to walk through the plans. ChatGPT I has had a similar effect for me, I used it, it was fun, didn't really have that much daily use for it, now it's just a tool, like many in my toolbag, I pull out of I can think of a good use for it, it sometimes yields good results, then I move on. Edit: Please if you down vote, I'd like to hear why, don't hate on people for having a difference of opinion.

doix 4y ago
My girlfriend uses it to write her Instagram captions. My nephews use it to do homework. Anywhere you need text written, it can generate something. Like you said, it might not be correct, but you can read what it tells you, you don't need to copy paste it verbatim. Rather than asking it a question, feed it some bullet points and watch it convert it into paragraphs. Read the paragraphs and remove anything extra it added. It probably saved you 10-20 minutes and lots of frustration depending on how much you hate writing. If you can't see the use for yourself, that's fine. But I really don't believe that you can't see how it would be useful to other people. I find it hilarious to compare with crypto, where the majority of projects are purely about speculation.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Funny though, I actually know people who are still using crypto for various things. So you're kind of snarky remark about how I might not find ChatGPT useful also applies to people who use crypto too. Like I said I do use the GPT...when I see fit, mostly just when I want to see what it can do, or how it might do something different. Of course it can be useful in some ways. I still don't understand what the actual use of it is. ChatGPT comes with a disclaimer on the box which alerts you to the fact that it's basically an experiment and by using it, you're part of the experiment. Should a my lawyer use it when giving me legal advice even though we don't know that it's giving correct information? Should I use it instead of a doctor? Should your doctor use it in your next visit? I mean there is a chance that even OpenAI were never expecting it to blow up the way it did? People have become a little too defensive over a product because it talks?
- mbwgh 4y ago
  > Anywhere you need text written, it can generate something. > Rather than asking it a question, feed it some bullet points and watch it convert it into paragraphs. Part of me is hopeful that this will have the effect of people recognizing that maybe a) The text didn't need to be written after all, or b) The bullet point you started out with, were enough after all. There is too much content being produced out of a notion of "something has to be here" for layout reasons, or because its simply what somebody expects. Probably, ubiquitous use of generative text model will worsen the signal-to-noise ratio we see in media today.

isaacremuant 4y ago

> Ah I mean if you're hell bent on not being impressed by ChatGPT you don't have to be. This is such a disingenuous strawman. You've just responded to a long argument with a lazy faux dismissal based on personality and animosity. The criticism are well laid out and sourced. It's about the hype and lies around it, not the tech itself. I appreciate the tech and dislike the lies and misunderstandings. If you just dismiss me as "a hater" you're part of the lie. > Pundits and critics have a vested interest in predicting the future the way their readers want, but your time machine is as good as mine - it only goes 1 second per second and we'll get to the future at the same time. Except that's a lie. And when the insights of people who stop and think instead of just buying into claims unquestionably are proven right years down the line we hear the old "oh, hindsight is 20 20". That's not accurate. We can reflect on things when they happen. No need to wait. > If your role doesn't involve things ChatGPT would be useful for (eg you're a blue collar carpenter), it doesn't seem very useful, but neither do computers or the Internet, really. False dichotomy. If you think chatgpt is solving a problem by generating text, are you qualified to judge that text for accuracy, could you have produced that text yourself? Why is it that chatgpt beats you, typing speed? Thinking speed? What are the risks of overlooking things by virtue of allegedly being handed an answer. Wizards can be useful but also dangerous. The point is to reflect about it and not dismiss anyone who doesn't just hype it up. > Or do you want to at least be aware of incoming trends. Your whole argument seems aimed at some luddite strawman when in reality it's people who love tech, love new things, appreciate Chatgpt and others forms of ML, but see the BS flying around and want to stay intentional and have conversations grounded in reality. > Don't expect them to speak up about it either, they're too busy using it to write emails and make plans to be bothered to convince the haters. Another empty dismissal. People are using it so any related criticism is "haters". Implicitly your whole comment just wants to, instead of engage in the conversation, derail it and dismiss it. Reminder, when there's hype, everyone and their mother wants to "cash in on the hype". It doesn't matter if they need to sell you a bridge. Going into specific and reasoned arguments is more productive, specially in a place like HN that should foster discussion instead of squashing it like parent poster is doing.

zamnos 4y ago
That's a pretty good takedown of my comment, I appreciate the effort that went into that, and, well, you make some fair points, but I went back and reread the post, and stand by my response. To me, Cory Doctorow isn't making any substantive arguments in the linked article that I feel are worth digging into. He denigrates ChatGPT as glorified auto complete but in the end, auto complete is... actually pretty useful? I do appreciate him bringing in Ted Chiang, I love that quote - "it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism". I haven't been exposed to Pluralistic before so maybe that's just his style there, but I think the difference between the hype around crypto and the hype around ChatGPT is that people in the world of finance are able to intuit where crypto fits, but people outside that world can't really appreciate that. ChatGPT; anyone who uses English can create their own account and play with it and see what the computer is doing. Sometimes hype is actually justified.