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> I just cant believe how much better it made my day. Wait until how great your day will become when you’re unnecessary ;).

ramraj07 4y ago
People are always made unnecessary. The smart ones then find other ways in which they are. Not sure how this is any different.
- Juliate 4y ago
  Not necessarily different, but the day software tech people get treated as disposable rather than rare (as they are very much today), it’s gonna be a rather … peculiar cultural shift to experience (for people, the industry, states).
- endisneigh 4y ago
  What we are discussing is something that removes the need for problem solving. What will the supposed smart do if there’s a magical machine that can solve all problems that can be represented as text?
  - olalonde 4y ago
    I don't know about others but I'll be enjoying the beach, partying, watching movies, etc.
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    - jimbokun 4y ago
      With what money? Will we have UBI before ChatGPT (or whatever comes next) can do all our jobs?
  - Pxtl 4y ago
    Run cable, I guess. But yeah, it kinda stinks that we invented artificial creativity before we invented a bot that can fold and put away my laundry.
  - Matumio 4y ago
    That sounds like a problem, so they ask this magical wonder machine to solve it. It will write pro-UBI statements that instantly convince politicians that maybe those who profited the most from magical wonder machine can now afford to pay more than zero taxes. After that, it's dolce vita and stargazing until they die.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  This one is different because it will pass the threshold of "normality". Just as we woke up with DALL. E 2 one morning in April 2022 and with ChatGPT one morning in November 2022, one day in the future, perhaps in the next 3-5-10 years, we will wake up with some 5, 10, 100 terabytes of neural weights fully able to drive a car from a single camera under any circumstance, millions of times safer than a perfect human driver ever could. On that day, which in my view definitely looms in the near future, ~200 million jobs will vanish instantly [1] and hundreds of millions of jobs will be gone forever a few months/years after that. For those 0.7-1.5+ billion people there will be no "alternative careers", not because they won't be able to learn or adapt, although most of them are already tired and sick, but because the system will simply no longer need them, they became not even useless, a burden. Our current system, no matter how you call it, is socio-pathic, literally: the socius, the fellowship [2], is suffering [3]. The phase transition will come; the question is what we, whoever we are, will do: will we still hold dear the protestant work ethic [4] and believe the probably Los Angeled-invented Chinese fortune cookie message "there is no free lunch" [5] [6], or we will adhere to a metaphysics better suited for a galaxy with trillions of trillions of whatever natural resource we might ever need and enough energy even in our local star to build whatever kind of civilization we would ever want. [1] Answered by ChatGPT: "According to the International Transport Forum (ITF), there were approximately 107 million commercial vehicles in use worldwide in 2015, which includes trucks, buses, and taxis. This suggests that there are likely many millions of people who earn a living as drivers. Additionally, the World Bank estimates that the transportation sector, which includes driving, employs approximately 10% of the global workforce." [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socius https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socius [3] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pathos https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pathos [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_S... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_cookie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_cookie [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as...
  - californical 4y ago
    This is like saying in 1700 that the invention of farming automation will displace 90%+ of farmers, what ever will they do? Automation is helpful, but it’s also scary. I guarantee that nobody 300 years ago thought that many of the 90%+ of displaced farmers would end up sitting in front of screens, moving data around. And I also guarantee that farmers in the 1700s were just as tired and sick as the driving industry today. Yeah it’ll suck for the people who don’t/can’t adapt. But the world that is created by removing unnecessary labor ends up being better for everyone eventually. Should we deprive the people of the future from the technology of never needing to drive, just because the transition is scary?
postalrat 4y ago
Looking forward to that day.

ramraj07 4y ago

People are always made unnecessary. The smart ones then find other ways in which they are. Not sure how this is any different.

Juliate 4y ago
Not necessarily different, but the day software tech people get treated as disposable rather than rare (as they are very much today), it’s gonna be a rather … peculiar cultural shift to experience (for people, the industry, states).
endisneigh 4y ago
What we are discussing is something that removes the need for problem solving. What will the supposed smart do if there’s a magical machine that can solve all problems that can be represented as text?
- olalonde 4y ago
  I don't know about others but I'll be enjoying the beach, partying, watching movies, etc.
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  - jimbokun 4y ago
    With what money? Will we have UBI before ChatGPT (or whatever comes next) can do all our jobs?
- Pxtl 4y ago
  Run cable, I guess. But yeah, it kinda stinks that we invented artificial creativity before we invented a bot that can fold and put away my laundry.
- Matumio 4y ago
  That sounds like a problem, so they ask this magical wonder machine to solve it. It will write pro-UBI statements that instantly convince politicians that maybe those who profited the most from magical wonder machine can now afford to pay more than zero taxes. After that, it's dolce vita and stargazing until they die.
ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
This one is different because it will pass the threshold of "normality". Just as we woke up with DALL. E 2 one morning in April 2022 and with ChatGPT one morning in November 2022, one day in the future, perhaps in the next 3-5-10 years, we will wake up with some 5, 10, 100 terabytes of neural weights fully able to drive a car from a single camera under any circumstance, millions of times safer than a perfect human driver ever could. On that day, which in my view definitely looms in the near future, ~200 million jobs will vanish instantly [1] and hundreds of millions of jobs will be gone forever a few months/years after that. For those 0.7-1.5+ billion people there will be no "alternative careers", not because they won't be able to learn or adapt, although most of them are already tired and sick, but because the system will simply no longer need them, they became not even useless, a burden. Our current system, no matter how you call it, is socio-pathic, literally: the socius, the fellowship [2], is suffering [3]. The phase transition will come; the question is what we, whoever we are, will do: will we still hold dear the protestant work ethic [4] and believe the probably Los Angeled-invented Chinese fortune cookie message "there is no free lunch" [5] [6], or we will adhere to a metaphysics better suited for a galaxy with trillions of trillions of whatever natural resource we might ever need and enough energy even in our local star to build whatever kind of civilization we would ever want. [1] Answered by ChatGPT: "According to the International Transport Forum (ITF), there were approximately 107 million commercial vehicles in use worldwide in 2015, which includes trucks, buses, and taxis. This suggests that there are likely many millions of people who earn a living as drivers. Additionally, the World Bank estimates that the transportation sector, which includes driving, employs approximately 10% of the global workforce." [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socius https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socius [3] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pathos https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pathos [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_S... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_cookie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_cookie [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as...
- californical 4y ago
  This is like saying in 1700 that the invention of farming automation will displace 90%+ of farmers, what ever will they do? Automation is helpful, but it’s also scary. I guarantee that nobody 300 years ago thought that many of the 90%+ of displaced farmers would end up sitting in front of screens, moving data around. And I also guarantee that farmers in the 1700s were just as tired and sick as the driving industry today. Yeah it’ll suck for the people who don’t/can’t adapt. But the world that is created by removing unnecessary labor ends up being better for everyone eventually. Should we deprive the people of the future from the technology of never needing to drive, just because the transition is scary?

postalrat 4y ago

Looking forward to that day.