FWIW I wasn’t personally attacking you. I was just trying to make sure you provide evidence of something being bad when you claim it to be bad. That being said

FWIW I wasn’t personally attacking you. I was just trying to make sure you provide evidence of something being bad when you claim it to be bad. That being said I think your experience isn’t representative of the ecosystem today. Spring is not Java. It is not a required dependency. In the last 10 years I haven’t worked on a single Spring application. There are plenty of alternatives with modern apis: Play, Quarkus, Micronaut, Helidon, Javalin etc. > Additionally most projects typically include a lot of legacy mis-steps or third party Apache libs that have added bloat (3-4 logging libraries in a single project not uncommon, 2-3 Date apis, numerous XML or JSON parsers etc etc). Left pad, right pad, isNumber, isArray? I’ll give you serverless, but I’ll repeat what I said in other comments: languages are about trade offs and use cases. They don’t have to be the one language to rule them all.