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No. They are not. They are still earning less than men: "the wage gap is smaller for workers ages 25 to 34 than for all workers 16 and older. In 2022, women ag

No. They are not. They are still earning less than men: "the wage gap is smaller for workers ages 25 to 34 than for all workers 16 and older. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned an average of 92 cents for every dollar earned by a man in the same age group – an 8-cent gap. By comparison, the gender pay gap among workers of all ages that year was 18 cents." Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-...

TheCoelacanth 4y ago
I think they probably misremembered the stat that young, single women are making more than young, single men in some metro areas. Limiting it to single people shrinks the gap because single women make more than married women while single men make less than married men. Cherry-picking specific metro areas also helps.
- donohoe 4y ago
  You make a lot of claims here (which I have a hard time believing on face value). Can you back-up any of this?
  - medvezhenok 4y ago
    First Google result: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women...
lotsofpulp 4y ago
What is the purpose of this statistic if it is not comparing the prices of the same labor?
- donohoe 4y ago
  Fine, go here and look at the PDF (also linked). However its from 2020 though most other research suggest snot much has changed. Still very representative. https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occupation-race-and-ethnicity-2020/ https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occ... https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupational-Wage-Gap-Brief-v2.pdf https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupationa... I am surprised (but maybe not so much) on the number of people who seem so quick to dismiss gender inequality in pay.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Requesting relevant data is not "dismissing" anything. Also, a seller that shops around more often for buyers would be expected to earn more than a seller than shops around less frequently. Is it possible that women shop around less and men shop around more? I can give myself and my wife as an example. She values stability at work and being able to flex time so she can be available for the kids, so she stays put in her job where she has a favorable work environment. I do not care as much about being available for the kids and am willing to risk new workplaces, so I hop around. If we had the same job, the statistics would show she is getting paid less and I am getting paid more, but it would have nothing to do with man or woman. I would guess women are getting paid less due to discrimination, but I am also guessing there are multiple factors at play.
  - medvezhenok 4y ago
    "The controlled gender pay gap is $0.99 cents for every $1 men make, [...]. The controlled pay gap tells us what women earn compared to men when all compensable factors are accounted for — such as job title, education, experience, industry, job level, and hours worked. This is equal pay for equal work." https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...
    - donohoe 4y ago
      "It should be noted that Payscale’s crowdsourced data weights toward salaried professionals with college degrees. When analyzing by race, we restrict our sample to those with at least a bachelor’s degree."
fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
With all due respect, the comparisons need to be on a career to career basis. The above numbers are so misleading it is sad
- donohoe 4y ago
  Fixed it for you... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35084580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35084580 Would you like me to bing/google more research on this for you? Pro-tip: go to www.google.com and search for the terms "gender pay gap by profession" (without quotes) Shortcut: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender%20pay%20gap%20by%20profession https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender%20pay%20gap%20b...
  - medvezhenok 4y ago
    Profession is only one of the controlled variables. You also have to account for hours worked, experience, etc. As I linked in the other comment, the controlled pay gap (once you account for everything) is $0.01. https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...

TheCoelacanth 4y ago

I think they probably misremembered the stat that young, single women are making more than young, single men in some metro areas. Limiting it to single people shrinks the gap because single women make more than married women while single men make less than married men. Cherry-picking specific metro areas also helps.

donohoe 4y ago
You make a lot of claims here (which I have a hard time believing on face value). Can you back-up any of this?
- medvezhenok 4y ago
  First Google result: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women...

lotsofpulp 4y ago

What is the purpose of this statistic if it is not comparing the prices of the same labor?

donohoe 4y ago
Fine, go here and look at the PDF (also linked). However its from 2020 though most other research suggest snot much has changed. Still very representative. https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occupation-race-and-ethnicity-2020/ https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occ... https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupational-Wage-Gap-Brief-v2.pdf https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupationa... I am surprised (but maybe not so much) on the number of people who seem so quick to dismiss gender inequality in pay.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Requesting relevant data is not "dismissing" anything. Also, a seller that shops around more often for buyers would be expected to earn more than a seller than shops around less frequently. Is it possible that women shop around less and men shop around more? I can give myself and my wife as an example. She values stability at work and being able to flex time so she can be available for the kids, so she stays put in her job where she has a favorable work environment. I do not care as much about being available for the kids and am willing to risk new workplaces, so I hop around. If we had the same job, the statistics would show she is getting paid less and I am getting paid more, but it would have nothing to do with man or woman. I would guess women are getting paid less due to discrimination, but I am also guessing there are multiple factors at play.
- medvezhenok 4y ago
  "The controlled gender pay gap is $0.99 cents for every $1 men make, [...]. The controlled pay gap tells us what women earn compared to men when all compensable factors are accounted for — such as job title, education, experience, industry, job level, and hours worked. This is equal pay for equal work." https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...
  - donohoe 4y ago
    "It should be noted that Payscale’s crowdsourced data weights toward salaried professionals with college degrees. When analyzing by race, we restrict our sample to those with at least a bachelor’s degree."

fdgsdfogijq 4y ago

With all due respect, the comparisons need to be on a career to career basis. The above numbers are so misleading it is sad

donohoe 4y ago
Fixed it for you... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35084580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35084580 Would you like me to bing/google more research on this for you? Pro-tip: go to www.google.com and search for the terms "gender pay gap by profession" (without quotes) Shortcut: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender%20pay%20gap%20by%20profession https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender%20pay%20gap%20b...
- medvezhenok 4y ago
  Profession is only one of the controlled variables. You also have to account for hours worked, experience, etc. As I linked in the other comment, the controlled pay gap (once you account for everything) is $0.01. https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...