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Arent women making more than men now in the younger generation? Below 30 they are blowing men out of the water in terms of income and educational achievement.

throwawayacc5 4y ago
They are, but that is a hate fact.
- cassac 4y ago
  What is a “hate fact”?
  - gruez 4y ago
    Presumably facts that imply politically incorrect statements. The most obvious one would be "despite being x% of the population, [group] commits y% of the crimes".
  - civilized 4y ago
    It's a mocking reference to how people can dislike it when facts that don't match their ideology are presented in a discussion. In this case, someone who wants the focus to be on women might be irritated when facts about men falling behind are presented.
gruez 4y ago
>Below 30 they are blowing men out of the water in terms of income and educational achievement. source?
- korroziya 4y ago
  Clickbait news sites.
  - DanTheManPR 4y ago
    I suspect OP is referring to articles about how young women make more money than young men in some metro areas. You can look at actual nation-wide data from the BLS: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm
- positron6000 4y ago
  they don't have a source. or their claim is that women over 30 are making more than young men (read: have been working for more than a decade than their younger male counterparts).
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  The educational part is just true. It's been trending that way for years and years. Easily googleable. Not even controversial in education circles—the data are hard to ignore, and it's openly discussed as a problem (solutions, however, are hard to come by). I'm not so sure about the income thing. [EDIT] Some links—far from exhaustive, again, this is such a slam-dunk thing as far as the data go that it's regarded as a fact even by quite-liberal circles of teachers and education researchers, there's not a conservative/liberal divide on whether it's happening (what to do about it—there, differences may be observed). Edutopia: https://www.edutopia.org/article/boys-are-falling-behind-what-can-we-do-about-it https://www.edutopia.org/article/boys-are-falling-behind-wha... Brookings: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left-behind-education-gender-gaps-across-the-us/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left... UN/UNESCO: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115802 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115802 (perhaps surprisingly, some aspects of the phenomenon are global) The World Bank (I double-checked, this is really them, not some group with a similar-looking domain): https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/what-about-boys-addressing-educational-underachievement-boys-and-men-during-and-beyond https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/what-about-boys-addres... Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/3b2509f2-fda2-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521 https://www.ft.com/content/3b2509f2-fda2-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e... Et cetera, it just goes on and on like that, pick a source you respect and decent odds you can find them reporting on this at some point. Actual studies abound (it's a topic of active study in education research) but I'm not going to go dig through Library Genesis for them right now.
donohoe 4y ago
No. They are not. They are still earning less than men: "the wage gap is smaller for workers ages 25 to 34 than for all workers 16 and older. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned an average of 92 cents for every dollar earned by a man in the same age group – an 8-cent gap. By comparison, the gender pay gap among workers of all ages that year was 18 cents." Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-...
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  I think they probably misremembered the stat that young, single women are making more than young, single men in some metro areas. Limiting it to single people shrinks the gap because single women make more than married women while single men make less than married men. Cherry-picking specific metro areas also helps.
  - donohoe 4y ago
    You make a lot of claims here (which I have a hard time believing on face value). Can you back-up any of this?
    - medvezhenok 4y ago
      First Google result: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women...
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  What is the purpose of this statistic if it is not comparing the prices of the same labor?
  - donohoe 4y ago
    Fine, go here and look at the PDF (also linked). However its from 2020 though most other research suggest snot much has changed. Still very representative. https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occupation-race-and-ethnicity-2020/ https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occ... https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupational-Wage-Gap-Brief-v2.pdf https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupationa... I am surprised (but maybe not so much) on the number of people who seem so quick to dismiss gender inequality in pay.
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throwawayacc5 4y ago

They are, but that is a hate fact.

cassac 4y ago
What is a “hate fact”?
- gruez 4y ago
  Presumably facts that imply politically incorrect statements. The most obvious one would be "despite being x% of the population, [group] commits y% of the crimes".
- civilized 4y ago
  It's a mocking reference to how people can dislike it when facts that don't match their ideology are presented in a discussion. In this case, someone who wants the focus to be on women might be irritated when facts about men falling behind are presented.

gruez 4y ago

>Below 30 they are blowing men out of the water in terms of income and educational achievement. source?

korroziya 4y ago
Clickbait news sites.
- DanTheManPR 4y ago
  I suspect OP is referring to articles about how young women make more money than young men in some metro areas. You can look at actual nation-wide data from the BLS: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm
positron6000 4y ago
they don't have a source. or their claim is that women over 30 are making more than young men (read: have been working for more than a decade than their younger male counterparts).
yamtaddle 4y ago
The educational part is just true. It's been trending that way for years and years. Easily googleable. Not even controversial in education circles—the data are hard to ignore, and it's openly discussed as a problem (solutions, however, are hard to come by). I'm not so sure about the income thing. [EDIT] Some links—far from exhaustive, again, this is such a slam-dunk thing as far as the data go that it's regarded as a fact even by quite-liberal circles of teachers and education researchers, there's not a conservative/liberal divide on whether it's happening (what to do about it—there, differences may be observed). Edutopia: https://www.edutopia.org/article/boys-are-falling-behind-what-can-we-do-about-it https://www.edutopia.org/article/boys-are-falling-behind-wha... Brookings: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left-behind-education-gender-gaps-across-the-us/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left... UN/UNESCO: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115802 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115802 (perhaps surprisingly, some aspects of the phenomenon are global) The World Bank (I double-checked, this is really them, not some group with a similar-looking domain): https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/what-about-boys-addressing-educational-underachievement-boys-and-men-during-and-beyond https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/what-about-boys-addres... Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/3b2509f2-fda2-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521 https://www.ft.com/content/3b2509f2-fda2-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e... Et cetera, it just goes on and on like that, pick a source you respect and decent odds you can find them reporting on this at some point. Actual studies abound (it's a topic of active study in education research) but I'm not going to go dig through Library Genesis for them right now.

donohoe 4y ago

No. They are not. They are still earning less than men: "the wage gap is smaller for workers ages 25 to 34 than for all workers 16 and older. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned an average of 92 cents for every dollar earned by a man in the same age group – an 8-cent gap. By comparison, the gender pay gap among workers of all ages that year was 18 cents." Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-...

TheCoelacanth 4y ago
I think they probably misremembered the stat that young, single women are making more than young, single men in some metro areas. Limiting it to single people shrinks the gap because single women make more than married women while single men make less than married men. Cherry-picking specific metro areas also helps.
- donohoe 4y ago
  You make a lot of claims here (which I have a hard time believing on face value). Can you back-up any of this?
  - medvezhenok 4y ago
    First Google result: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women...
lotsofpulp 4y ago
What is the purpose of this statistic if it is not comparing the prices of the same labor?
- donohoe 4y ago
  Fine, go here and look at the PDF (also linked). However its from 2020 though most other research suggest snot much has changed. Still very representative. https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occupation-race-and-ethnicity-2020/ https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occ... https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupational-Wage-Gap-Brief-v2.pdf https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupationa... I am surprised (but maybe not so much) on the number of people who seem so quick to dismiss gender inequality in pay.

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