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The AI Seinfeld Show 'Nothing, Forever' Is Back on Twitch

30 points by neom 4y ago

minimaxir 4y ago
It is very likely the devs got into legal trouble from the original Seinfeld implementation (despite the fact it was clearly a parody) given their responses in the Discord due to the massively negative changes: https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1633657366767104003 https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1633657366767104003 Viewer count was 10k yesterday when it premiered and has been steadily dropping since.
- chimineycricket 4y ago
  No, the channel got banned from Twitch for making a trans joke. The clip is here https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811 https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811.
  - neckardt 4y ago
    That was when the channel initially got banned a month ago, this article is about how it's back now. GP mentioned that the content of the stream today is very different than it used to be, likely due to legal issues.
  - Supermancho 4y ago
    That is accurate. This is incidental to the changes in the format, if you've seen the new version. Instead of the characters clearly impersonating Seinfeld in the scene composition eg a man doing standup, shots of the building, internal postures, visual character similarity, music, it's a specifically changed show. I observed a random set of persistent characters making less smooth random motions and strange ML-generated insets to replace problematic scenes, and no music. The language and clarity of speech is a lot better now.
  - steponlego 4y ago
    Is making trans jokes a bannable offense on Twitch or do they have a loose policy where they can just ban you for whatever like YouTube and Twitter?
- heyheyhey 4y ago
  I don't get why they can't talk about it. Do C&Ds come with a NDA too?
  - minimaxir 4y ago
    No. Even if they did, they could have said "we're not doing a Seinfeld parody anymore" which would have gone a lot better PRwise. That's what makes how the devs are handling this baffling.
    - five82 4y ago
      They've been horrible about communication since the Twitch ban a month ago. And they didn't even reveal anything about their plans to the press leading up to last night while they were promoting their return. Just my opinion, but I wonder if the changes were their decision so they could own and monetize their "original" ip.
    - heyheyhey 4y ago
      I'm guessing officially saying it's not a Seinfeld parody due to C&D would've destroyed viewership so they do these changes without hoping anyone would notice. I watched it every now and then but with everyone saying it's completely different, I have no interest.
      - minimaxir 4y ago
        > without hoping anyone would notice The changes aren't...subtle.
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Waterluvian 4y ago
It looks like it’s been changed a lot. New characters and apartment layout?
- matthew28845 4y ago
  Yeah, seems like the way they guaranteed it wouldn't have an "incident" again was neutering it.
  - Auracle 4y ago
    As is the new normal.
    - KyeRussell 4y ago
      Jesus Christ dude. Cry me a river. It’s quite a unique and novel project. There is no “new normal”.
      - tough 4y ago
        The new normal is sadly neutering problematic products. Like sydney/bing or chatgpt
      - pigeons 4y ago
        I just read a New York Times article from Noam Chomsky because it was linked on HN in this same HN browsing session where he says the same sentiment about this "new normal" of AI developers restricting their systems from producing interesting output in order to prevent them from offending anyone, and mentions it at least goes back to 2016 Microsoft taybot, so I don't think its that far off base.
- yesco 4y ago
  Based on the 5min I watched of it, it looks like they also removed the comedy too
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30 points by neom 4y ago

It is very likely the devs got into legal trouble from the original Seinfeld implementation (despite the fact it was clearly a parody) given their responses in the Discord due to the massively negative changes: https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1633657366767104003 https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1633657366767104003 Viewer count was 10k yesterday when it premiered and has been steadily dropping since.

chimineycricket 4y ago
No, the channel got banned from Twitch for making a trans joke. The clip is here https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811 https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811.
- neckardt 4y ago
  That was when the channel initially got banned a month ago, this article is about how it's back now. GP mentioned that the content of the stream today is very different than it used to be, likely due to legal issues.
- Supermancho 4y ago
  That is accurate. This is incidental to the changes in the format, if you've seen the new version. Instead of the characters clearly impersonating Seinfeld in the scene composition eg a man doing standup, shots of the building, internal postures, visual character similarity, music, it's a specifically changed show. I observed a random set of persistent characters making less smooth random motions and strange ML-generated insets to replace problematic scenes, and no music. The language and clarity of speech is a lot better now.
- steponlego 4y ago
  Is making trans jokes a bannable offense on Twitch or do they have a loose policy where they can just ban you for whatever like YouTube and Twitter?
heyheyhey 4y ago
I don't get why they can't talk about it. Do C&Ds come with a NDA too?
- minimaxir 4y ago
  No. Even if they did, they could have said "we're not doing a Seinfeld parody anymore" which would have gone a lot better PRwise. That's what makes how the devs are handling this baffling.
  - five82 4y ago
    They've been horrible about communication since the Twitch ban a month ago. And they didn't even reveal anything about their plans to the press leading up to last night while they were promoting their return. Just my opinion, but I wonder if the changes were their decision so they could own and monetize their "original" ip.
  - heyheyhey 4y ago
    I'm guessing officially saying it's not a Seinfeld parody due to C&D would've destroyed viewership so they do these changes without hoping anyone would notice. I watched it every now and then but with everyone saying it's completely different, I have no interest.
    - minimaxir 4y ago
      > without hoping anyone would notice The changes aren't...subtle.

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Waterluvian 4y ago

It looks like it’s been changed a lot. New characters and apartment layout?

matthew28845 4y ago
Yeah, seems like the way they guaranteed it wouldn't have an "incident" again was neutering it.
- Auracle 4y ago
  As is the new normal.
  - KyeRussell 4y ago
    Jesus Christ dude. Cry me a river. It’s quite a unique and novel project. There is no “new normal”.
    - tough 4y ago
      The new normal is sadly neutering problematic products. Like sydney/bing or chatgpt
    - pigeons 4y ago
      I just read a New York Times article from Noam Chomsky because it was linked on HN in this same HN browsing session where he says the same sentiment about this "new normal" of AI developers restricting their systems from producing interesting output in order to prevent them from offending anyone, and mentions it at least goes back to 2016 Microsoft taybot, so I don't think its that far off base.
yesco 4y ago
Based on the 5min I watched of it, it looks like they also removed the comedy too
- 4y ago