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>If you ask your coworker today, how many shootings were there in Chicago last weekend, unless you live in or near Chicago, they will be shocked that there were

by cmh89 4y ago

>If you ask your coworker today, how many shootings were there in Chicago last weekend, unless you live in or near Chicago, they will be shocked that there were 17 shootings and 4 homicides just over the weekend. Would they? Literally everyone who reads the news knows Chicago has a lot of shootings. This sounds like something you made up to drive a narrative rather than basing it in truth. > think if enough money is poured into it, with enough eyeballs on it, and a high level of training, it can be very effective. There is no way it would be effective. Brutal? Yes. Inhumane? Sure. Suffering? Absolutely. The type of person who is attracted to being an authoritarian is not the type of person you want to have power. We already live in a quasi-police state, much more than other countries, and we still have a ton of crime and violence. >You can't achieve economic security without safety. You have that backwards. You can't achieve safety without economic security. >. Can you name a single wealthy location with as high a crime rate as South side Chicago or Baltimore? Nope, because wealthy places don't have a ton of crime. I'm not sure how that supports your argument, because it's literally what I'm saying. Can you point to a very poor place that is safe due to the police? >We have fucking ABANDONED Baltimore and it's disgusting. Baltimore has more police per capita than other city besides DC https://baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/baltimore-police-per-capita-city-except-dc/ https://baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/baltimore-police-per-c... Baltimore is literally the closest city we have to a police state, you apparently don't like the outcome. Edit* @yucky - HN doesn't want me to post and I don't want to come back and remember to post in a hour or whenever I'm allowed to again so here ya are Police are powerful in all communities in the US. Rural people generally have less interaction with the police than urban areas. If you want to kill someone or rob someone in a rural setting, police are almost a non-factor as they wont be nearby.

yucky 4y ago
> Can you point to a very poor place that is safe due to the police? Most rural areas are generally quite safe and their police are very powerful in the community.
- wootland 4y ago
  Most rural areas in the US are ravaged by meth and opioid abuse and the crime that comes along with them.
- tptacek 4y ago
  From 2016 to 2020 the two counties with the highest gun homicide rates were Phillips County, AR and Lowndes County, AL, both rural.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Assuming you know how statistics work, one shooting in a county with 50 people will skew the stats. But spend some time in your average rural area and then in Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and compare notes. And no, not the trendy 2 block area with the breweries, the area where people actually live.
    - kasey_junk 4y ago
      What stat can you possibly use to quantify your argument that shouldn’t be a per capita stat? And for what it’s worth Phillips County was averaging 8 gun deaths a year across that time period for a place that has less than 20k people. That’s a shocking stat even with “small” numbers.
      - yucky 4y ago
        It's simple, Detroit has been one of the top cities for murders rate for over 50 years straight. A shooting in a random year will not produce an anomaly there like some random county one year that has a shooting. You're trying to take a small sample size as if it means something. And yet where would you rather be caught at with no phone and no car, some small town or the east side of Detroit? I do find it interesting that you used a predominantly black rural area hoping it would prove a different point though.
        kasey_junk 4y ago
        > Detroit has been one of the top cities for murder rate for over 50 years straight How does that relate statistically to urban vs rural crime rates? You didn’t make an argument about Detroit. You made one about rural vs city generally. > where would you rather be caught When I was 13 years old I witnessed 2 teenagers being assaulted by a crowd of adults with firearms in a rural location while working on a farm for the summer. I’ve never experienced anything scarier since. I don’t extrapolate that experience out to all rural locations though so I’m not sure. I think urban just for the transportation options. > you used a predominantly black rural area I didn’t. Tptacek did. I just looked up their stats to see if it was an obvious anomaly. It wasn’t. You also didn’t make a point about race. Your point was about rural vs urban. Perhaps you’d like to make a further point?

by cmh89 4y ago

yucky 4y ago

> Can you point to a very poor place that is safe due to the police? Most rural areas are generally quite safe and their police are very powerful in the community.

wootland 4y ago
Most rural areas in the US are ravaged by meth and opioid abuse and the crime that comes along with them.
tptacek 4y ago
From 2016 to 2020 the two counties with the highest gun homicide rates were Phillips County, AR and Lowndes County, AL, both rural.
- yucky 4y ago
  Assuming you know how statistics work, one shooting in a county with 50 people will skew the stats. But spend some time in your average rural area and then in Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and compare notes. And no, not the trendy 2 block area with the breweries, the area where people actually live.
  - kasey_junk 4y ago
    What stat can you possibly use to quantify your argument that shouldn’t be a per capita stat? And for what it’s worth Phillips County was averaging 8 gun deaths a year across that time period for a place that has less than 20k people. That’s a shocking stat even with “small” numbers.
    - yucky 4y ago
      It's simple, Detroit has been one of the top cities for murders rate for over 50 years straight. A shooting in a random year will not produce an anomaly there like some random county one year that has a shooting. You're trying to take a small sample size as if it means something. And yet where would you rather be caught at with no phone and no car, some small town or the east side of Detroit? I do find it interesting that you used a predominantly black rural area hoping it would prove a different point though.
      - kasey_junk 4y ago
        > Detroit has been one of the top cities for murder rate for over 50 years straight How does that relate statistically to urban vs rural crime rates? You didn’t make an argument about Detroit. You made one about rural vs city generally. > where would you rather be caught When I was 13 years old I witnessed 2 teenagers being assaulted by a crowd of adults with firearms in a rural location while working on a farm for the summer. I’ve never experienced anything scarier since. I don’t extrapolate that experience out to all rural locations though so I’m not sure. I think urban just for the transportation options. > you used a predominantly black rural area I didn’t. Tptacek did. I just looked up their stats to see if it was an obvious anomaly. It wasn’t. You also didn’t make a point about race. Your point was about rural vs urban. Perhaps you’d like to make a further point?