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what a silly thing that wrecks your fellow human's life (who knows what theyre using the SUV for) and accomplishes absolutely nothing.

by volkk 4y ago

bluecalm 4y ago
The argument is that SUV and truck drivers already endanger lives of unprotected traffic participants by driving those vehicles in cities. It sounds like a cause worthy of some aggressive activism to me as the regulators are deeply in car industry's pockets (no other explanation for special SUV treatment when it comes to fuel efficiency norms). You make the world a worse place by choosing your comfort over safety of others - you get some minor inconvenience to deal with sometimes. To me it's activism working as intended.
- za3faran 4y ago
  Call it what it is, it's not "aggressive activism", it's vandalism and property destruction, and potentially cost lives if the car owner needs to go to the hospital or has another emergency. Let's not water things down please.
  - bluecalm 4y ago
    People in big cars kill thousands of pedestrians and cyclists per year. Let's not water things down please. You seem to not understand big cars in cities are really dangerous and actually cost (not hypothetical might) lives every day.
    - za3faran 4y ago
      > People in big^W cars kill thousands of pedestrians and cyclists per year FTFY. So we should ban cars? Plus, there's a difference between something literally called an accident with destruction of property.
- Eumenes 4y ago
  >To me it's activism working as intended. To get literally everyone to hate you? People don't like their private property destroyed, esp. randomly and unprovoked. See how much support the idiots throwing soup on art are getting.
  - bluecalm 4y ago
    Yeah, I don't like people choosing oversized vehicles and endangering lives every day. Idk why you compare temporarily immobilizing dangerous vehicles to destroying art. If art was killing people every day they would get more support I suppose.
    - Eumenes 4y ago
      Compact cars don't kill people in accidents? Honda Civics weigh around 3200 lbs, and Ford Explorer around 4300 lbs. Model 3 Tesla weighs about 3800 lbs. Are those killing machines too? SUVs likely prevent death in accidents as well. You're actually more likely to die/be killed by a compact car - https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-high-among-small-cars https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-h... You aren't going to win over the hearts and minds of anyone with this take. Do better.
- volkk 4y ago
  > minor inconvenience to deal with sometimes if you're parked on the street in a city, you now need to deal with getting a pump or getting it towed which the latter is hundreds of dollars. which isn't a minor inconvenience. and on top of that, if you can't move your car you now start getting parking tickets. everything costs time and money, and some people can't afford that. not all of us area SWEs making 300k. this kind of activism doesn't do anything and is honestly naive and ultimate cringe. talk about the rich getting the poors to basically destroy each other while actively being preyed on. the car industry is so large and has such deep pockets that SUVs are here to stay unless actual lawmakers get together and do something differently. a few flat tires will do nothing more than enrage your fellow people and instead cause them to vote the opposite way only to spite the people that ruined their day/afternoon/weekend. and that's not even mentioning this type of stuff can get you actually killed in the wrong area. this website feels like a project created by a sheltered, clueless college kid who thinks theyre changing the world
  - bluecalm 4y ago
    I don't know why you accuse me of elitism when SUVs endanger exactly people who aren't rich and can't afford to drive a car let alone an expensive one like a SUV. Cheaper options (walking, cycling, taking public transport and then walking) are more dangerous because of others choosing to drive huge vehicles. I want it to stop. I support form of protest that impose inconvenience to try to stop dangerous behavior that causes thousands of senseless deaths per year.
    - volkk 4y ago
      i accuse you of elitism because you support the tactics which only elitists would be proud of. most normal humans who need to get to work and don't make a lot of money don't think this way. the issue doesn't lay with people who buy SUVs but with prior campaigns that introduced them into the country, the large swaths of money that have created this market and that is continuing growing larger. its become a snowball effect because nowdays, driving a smaller car is actually more dangerous and so people that don't even want an SUV originally (someone like myself) are getting one or want one, because if i ever get into a car accident, i have a higher risk of death. A LOT of people think this way, and so it has nothing to do with the types of people that think like "i want a bigger car to compensate for something or because theyre super cool bro", those people are in the minority. it's that they're safer given the already vast amounts of SUVs out there, especially for people with kids. so the whole premise of flattening tires, or destruction of other people's properties is idiotic at best, and dangerous at worst. you really think someone exhausted with a 3 year old who finds their car's flat tire and that absolutely stupid sticker on their windshield is going to be convinced? you've instead just enlisted an enemy who will actively vote against "ban SUVs." good luck with that campaign.

what a silly thing that wrecks your fellow human's life (who knows what theyre using the SUV for) and accomplishes absolutely nothing.

by volkk 4y ago

what a silly thing that wrecks your fellow human's life (who knows what theyre using the SUV for) and accomplishes absolutely nothing.

bluecalm 4y ago

The argument is that SUV and truck drivers already endanger lives of unprotected traffic participants by driving those vehicles in cities. It sounds like a cause worthy of some aggressive activism to me as the regulators are deeply in car industry's pockets (no other explanation for special SUV treatment when it comes to fuel efficiency norms). You make the world a worse place by choosing your comfort over safety of others - you get some minor inconvenience to deal with sometimes. To me it's activism working as intended.

za3faran 4y ago
Call it what it is, it's not "aggressive activism", it's vandalism and property destruction, and potentially cost lives if the car owner needs to go to the hospital or has another emergency. Let's not water things down please.
- bluecalm 4y ago
  People in big cars kill thousands of pedestrians and cyclists per year. Let's not water things down please. You seem to not understand big cars in cities are really dangerous and actually cost (not hypothetical might) lives every day.
  - za3faran 4y ago
    > People in big^W cars kill thousands of pedestrians and cyclists per year FTFY. So we should ban cars? Plus, there's a difference between something literally called an accident with destruction of property.
Eumenes 4y ago
>To me it's activism working as intended. To get literally everyone to hate you? People don't like their private property destroyed, esp. randomly and unprovoked. See how much support the idiots throwing soup on art are getting.
- bluecalm 4y ago
  Yeah, I don't like people choosing oversized vehicles and endangering lives every day. Idk why you compare temporarily immobilizing dangerous vehicles to destroying art. If art was killing people every day they would get more support I suppose.
  - Eumenes 4y ago
    Compact cars don't kill people in accidents? Honda Civics weigh around 3200 lbs, and Ford Explorer around 4300 lbs. Model 3 Tesla weighs about 3800 lbs. Are those killing machines too? SUVs likely prevent death in accidents as well. You're actually more likely to die/be killed by a compact car - https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-high-among-small-cars https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-h... You aren't going to win over the hearts and minds of anyone with this take. Do better.
volkk 4y ago
> minor inconvenience to deal with sometimes if you're parked on the street in a city, you now need to deal with getting a pump or getting it towed which the latter is hundreds of dollars. which isn't a minor inconvenience. and on top of that, if you can't move your car you now start getting parking tickets. everything costs time and money, and some people can't afford that. not all of us area SWEs making 300k. this kind of activism doesn't do anything and is honestly naive and ultimate cringe. talk about the rich getting the poors to basically destroy each other while actively being preyed on. the car industry is so large and has such deep pockets that SUVs are here to stay unless actual lawmakers get together and do something differently. a few flat tires will do nothing more than enrage your fellow people and instead cause them to vote the opposite way only to spite the people that ruined their day/afternoon/weekend. and that's not even mentioning this type of stuff can get you actually killed in the wrong area. this website feels like a project created by a sheltered, clueless college kid who thinks theyre changing the world
- bluecalm 4y ago
  I don't know why you accuse me of elitism when SUVs endanger exactly people who aren't rich and can't afford to drive a car let alone an expensive one like a SUV. Cheaper options (walking, cycling, taking public transport and then walking) are more dangerous because of others choosing to drive huge vehicles. I want it to stop. I support form of protest that impose inconvenience to try to stop dangerous behavior that causes thousands of senseless deaths per year.
  - volkk 4y ago
    i accuse you of elitism because you support the tactics which only elitists would be proud of. most normal humans who need to get to work and don't make a lot of money don't think this way. the issue doesn't lay with people who buy SUVs but with prior campaigns that introduced them into the country, the large swaths of money that have created this market and that is continuing growing larger. its become a snowball effect because nowdays, driving a smaller car is actually more dangerous and so people that don't even want an SUV originally (someone like myself) are getting one or want one, because if i ever get into a car accident, i have a higher risk of death. A LOT of people think this way, and so it has nothing to do with the types of people that think like "i want a bigger car to compensate for something or because theyre super cool bro", those people are in the minority. it's that they're safer given the already vast amounts of SUVs out there, especially for people with kids. so the whole premise of flattening tires, or destruction of other people's properties is idiotic at best, and dangerous at worst. you really think someone exhausted with a 3 year old who finds their car's flat tire and that absolutely stupid sticker on their windshield is going to be convinced? you've instead just enlisted an enemy who will actively vote against "ban SUVs." good luck with that campaign.