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It's not black and white, as you so needlessly assert. Please reevaluate your hyper-reductionism. People can be tired of both America and Russia's lies. I know

It's not black and white, as you so needlessly assert. Please reevaluate your hyper-reductionism. People can be tired of both America and Russia's lies. I know I am.

genman 4y ago
It is very black and white situation when it comes to Russia attacking Ukraine. Unless of course, if you have been mislead by Russian propaganda, you may have more blurred vision about this.
- brutusurp 4y ago
  I can see that Russia invaded Ukraine, I can understand the motivation for it, I can understand and assert my sentiment towards it (i.e., I stand with Ukraine). I can understand that Putin is KGB, and has always pushed a message of world domination. I can understand that Putin is not well physically and may be suffering from increased cognitive impairment, which further increases the risk of irrational actions (e.g., nuclear warfare). I can also understand that America is a propaganda machine. I can understand that America is a country whose main export is weapons. I can understand that the US Dollar is backed by China (i.e., China owns majority of US debt). I can understand that US allowed American-internal manufacturing to crumble in order to outsource it to China because it was cheaper and corporations earned huge profits (none of which trickled down to us peasants, mind you). I can see that the US is in a vulnerable position, and cannot afford a long-winded war. I can understand (from well-documented history) that America can and does engage in actions to undermine the integrity of certain systems in order to instigate and 'hurry' an outcome (e.g., formal declaration of war; elimination of Putin; "brute force" campaign to intimidate China into truce). I am not victim of Russian propaganda. I am not a victim of American propaganda. I am a victim of ecological warfare brought about by government and corporate greed. Not so black-and-white.
  - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
    >I can understand that America is a country whose main export is weapons. America's main export is software. Apple alone makes way more money than all defense contractors combined. Missiles and planes are expensive, but you can sell WAY less of those than phones and apps and burgers. (And the missiles and planes are subsidized by the government anyways since they're meant to maintain America's military supremacy and project power, not make money from foreign sales.)
    - brutusurp 4y ago
      - Missiles and planes are not the only form of weapons/arms/defense trade. - Reported $$ and actual $$ are two different things. - No doubt software is an export, however software as malware/spyware is considered a defense weapon.
  - genman 4y ago
    If you are victim of anything then it is your too high confidence that you have understood anything. You argue against b&w but you only present b&w understanding. If you really want to understand, try to understand it from the point of view of Ukrainian. I doubt that you have enough of information to make a good judgement. For example how many times it has been claimed by high rank officials in Russian media that millions of Ukrainians should be killed?

It's not black and white, as you so needlessly assert. Please reevaluate your hyper-reductionism. People can be tired of both America and Russia's lies. I know I am.

genman 4y ago

It is very black and white situation when it comes to Russia attacking Ukraine. Unless of course, if you have been mislead by Russian propaganda, you may have more blurred vision about this.

brutusurp 4y ago
I can see that Russia invaded Ukraine, I can understand the motivation for it, I can understand and assert my sentiment towards it (i.e., I stand with Ukraine). I can understand that Putin is KGB, and has always pushed a message of world domination. I can understand that Putin is not well physically and may be suffering from increased cognitive impairment, which further increases the risk of irrational actions (e.g., nuclear warfare). I can also understand that America is a propaganda machine. I can understand that America is a country whose main export is weapons. I can understand that the US Dollar is backed by China (i.e., China owns majority of US debt). I can understand that US allowed American-internal manufacturing to crumble in order to outsource it to China because it was cheaper and corporations earned huge profits (none of which trickled down to us peasants, mind you). I can see that the US is in a vulnerable position, and cannot afford a long-winded war. I can understand (from well-documented history) that America can and does engage in actions to undermine the integrity of certain systems in order to instigate and 'hurry' an outcome (e.g., formal declaration of war; elimination of Putin; "brute force" campaign to intimidate China into truce). I am not victim of Russian propaganda. I am not a victim of American propaganda. I am a victim of ecological warfare brought about by government and corporate greed. Not so black-and-white.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  >I can understand that America is a country whose main export is weapons. America's main export is software. Apple alone makes way more money than all defense contractors combined. Missiles and planes are expensive, but you can sell WAY less of those than phones and apps and burgers. (And the missiles and planes are subsidized by the government anyways since they're meant to maintain America's military supremacy and project power, not make money from foreign sales.)
  - brutusurp 4y ago
    - Missiles and planes are not the only form of weapons/arms/defense trade. - Reported $$ and actual $$ are two different things. - No doubt software is an export, however software as malware/spyware is considered a defense weapon.
- genman 4y ago
  If you are victim of anything then it is your too high confidence that you have understood anything. You argue against b&w but you only present b&w understanding. If you really want to understand, try to understand it from the point of view of Ukrainian. I doubt that you have enough of information to make a good judgement. For example how many times it has been claimed by high rank officials in Russian media that millions of Ukrainians should be killed?