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You're not being stupid, I couldn't find that either. Although I do notice you wrote 9203 instead of 9023 in your suggested search. I get slightly more 9023-sp

by Nition 4y ago

You're not being stupid, I couldn't find that either. Although I do notice you wrote 9203 instead of 9023 in your suggested search. I get slightly more 9023-specific results with 9023 there: https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png I do think maybe you're expecting a little too much of any search engine for such an obscure query.

harry8 4y ago
Typo fixed. That's not obscure imho. What kernel driver do I use for this hardware is /exactly/ the kind of search google built its reputation on back in the old days when they did search. The shock for me is I really /expect/ that to be easy becuase so very many similar searches have been, using google search, before. I've noticed it getting steadily worse along these lines in ways it really did not used to be. I've noticed it being because it wants to recommend not search. Seems others are noticing the same. What alternative strategies do we have for search where we used to rely on google and now cannot?
- vlovich123 4y ago
  I think what OP means is that there may not be a webpage answering this in the first place and thus there’s nothing for Google to index and return. Now of course, a sufficiently smart AI could know how to answer your query directly even if there’s no answer to your question made online. I don’t think the current batch of AI technologies can do that reliably. Edit: also doing a search for “kernel module es9023” yields enough hints that to me indicates that there isn’t support for it even without it being a daughter board and thus there is no module. So the reason you’re not finding an answer is because there isn’t support for it and there’s no results confirming this 100% because it’s a very esoteric niche question. That you think it’s not is perhaps an inability to estimate how many people might be trying to run audio on this combination of hardware.
  - harry8 4y ago
    Sure, reasonable inference except due to related reading I'm 100% sure a module exists. And works. What is it?
    - vlovich123 4y ago
      lsmod + process of elimination and/or dumping the symbols. Are you also sure it's a loaded module rather than just being compiled into the kernel? If you figure it out and update this thread, I'm sure Google will have an actually useful answer for the next person.
      - harry8 4y ago
        the hardware is NOT seen by the kernel. Does the kernel have the driver at all or do I need to compile a new kernel? Ok so what is the name of the module that has the driver? I'm sure that it ain't that hard to find out. I'm sure google with some google-fu used to give you an answer to exactly this kind of question in no more than 5 minutes of googling. 10 at most. I'm sure the driver exists. Try it. Really. Watch google repeatedly drop and change your keywords, claim it hasn't then return pages with crucial keywords absent. It's recommending. It's not searching. There is a difference and for this kind of thing it sucks very hard. You must have examples you've seen. This isn't my first it just came up in the last week so I picked on it here.
        vlovich123 4y ago
        What makes you think there is any support for this hardware? By all accounts reports on the internet indicate that there isn’t any support so you’re asking Google for evidence of existence for a thing that doesn’t. And the topic is nice enough that it can’t find clear examples of counterfactual. This is also a bad use of Google. For something like this why not ask on the LKML? Something like this is perfect for that.
        harry8 4y ago
        Ask people who know on lkml. Yeah sure google is no good to find this out. It used to be and that has changed. Which is my point. > What makes you think there is any support for this hardware? Because I tracked it down reading forum posts, lkml, armbian docs, etc. Timeconsuming. Good test that google was no good for any of you either. Google does recommendation, not search. It has happened and you don't have to like it.

by Nition 4y ago

harry8 4y ago

Typo fixed. That's not obscure imho. What kernel driver do I use for this hardware is /exactly/ the kind of search google built its reputation on back in the old days when they did search. The shock for me is I really /expect/ that to be easy becuase so very many similar searches have been, using google search, before. I've noticed it getting steadily worse along these lines in ways it really did not used to be. I've noticed it being because it wants to recommend not search. Seems others are noticing the same. What alternative strategies do we have for search where we used to rely on google and now cannot?

vlovich123 4y ago
I think what OP means is that there may not be a webpage answering this in the first place and thus there’s nothing for Google to index and return. Now of course, a sufficiently smart AI could know how to answer your query directly even if there’s no answer to your question made online. I don’t think the current batch of AI technologies can do that reliably. Edit: also doing a search for “kernel module es9023” yields enough hints that to me indicates that there isn’t support for it even without it being a daughter board and thus there is no module. So the reason you’re not finding an answer is because there isn’t support for it and there’s no results confirming this 100% because it’s a very esoteric niche question. That you think it’s not is perhaps an inability to estimate how many people might be trying to run audio on this combination of hardware.
- harry8 4y ago
  Sure, reasonable inference except due to related reading I'm 100% sure a module exists. And works. What is it?
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    lsmod + process of elimination and/or dumping the symbols. Are you also sure it's a loaded module rather than just being compiled into the kernel? If you figure it out and update this thread, I'm sure Google will have an actually useful answer for the next person.
    - harry8 4y ago
      the hardware is NOT seen by the kernel. Does the kernel have the driver at all or do I need to compile a new kernel? Ok so what is the name of the module that has the driver? I'm sure that it ain't that hard to find out. I'm sure google with some google-fu used to give you an answer to exactly this kind of question in no more than 5 minutes of googling. 10 at most. I'm sure the driver exists. Try it. Really. Watch google repeatedly drop and change your keywords, claim it hasn't then return pages with crucial keywords absent. It's recommending. It's not searching. There is a difference and for this kind of thing it sucks very hard. You must have examples you've seen. This isn't my first it just came up in the last week so I picked on it here.
      - vlovich123 4y ago
        What makes you think there is any support for this hardware? By all accounts reports on the internet indicate that there isn’t any support so you’re asking Google for evidence of existence for a thing that doesn’t. And the topic is nice enough that it can’t find clear examples of counterfactual. This is also a bad use of Google. For something like this why not ask on the LKML? Something like this is perfect for that.
        harry8 4y ago
        Ask people who know on lkml. Yeah sure google is no good to find this out. It used to be and that has changed. Which is my point. > What makes you think there is any support for this hardware? Because I tracked it down reading forum posts, lkml, armbian docs, etc. Timeconsuming. Good test that google was no good for any of you either. Google does recommendation, not search. It has happened and you don't have to like it.