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What's the ideal result you'd want for that search? This is what I get: https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png

by Nition 4y ago

harry8 4y ago
So the question I want to answer is "What is the name of the kernel module that drives the es9023 daughter board on the pine64 a64" Which of those results are you recommending as the answer? edit: completely and totally prepared to accept I'm being a moron. The name of the driver, the link where you got it and how you got the link from google and I will decry it loudly here.
- chiph 4y ago
  I gave ChatGPT a try - it just tells you to use lsmod and modinfo
  - harry8 4y ago
    So google is as uselss for actual search as chatgpt nowadays...
  - norvvryo 4y ago
    Bing Chat suggests the "snd_soc_pcm5102a" and "snd_soc_hifiberry_dac" drivers in creative mode, "snd_soc_es9023" in balanced, and failed to return results in precise. I doubt that's accurate. I tried using Startpage and DDG to see if I could do any better. I mostly found people complaining that their ES9023 POT wasn't working. PINE64's forum search returned a few topics with half-answers. Apparently a distro called "Volumio" works? There's a report of someone having success after modifying asound.conf on Debian Stretch. This leads me to believe that there's not much useful information about the POT, or that it's being posted somewhere that doesn't get indexed.
- Nition 4y ago
  You're not being stupid, I couldn't find that either. Although I do notice you wrote 9203 instead of 9023 in your suggested search. I get slightly more 9023-specific results with 9023 there: https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png I do think maybe you're expecting a little too much of any search engine for such an obscure query.
  - harry8 4y ago
    Typo fixed. That's not obscure imho. What kernel driver do I use for this hardware is /exactly/ the kind of search google built its reputation on back in the old days when they did search. The shock for me is I really /expect/ that to be easy becuase so very many similar searches have been, using google search, before. I've noticed it getting steadily worse along these lines in ways it really did not used to be. I've noticed it being because it wants to recommend not search. Seems others are noticing the same. What alternative strategies do we have for search where we used to rely on google and now cannot?
    - vlovich123 4y ago
      I think what OP means is that there may not be a webpage answering this in the first place and thus there’s nothing for Google to index and return. Now of course, a sufficiently smart AI could know how to answer your query directly even if there’s no answer to your question made online. I don’t think the current batch of AI technologies can do that reliably. Edit: also doing a search for “kernel module es9023” yields enough hints that to me indicates that there isn’t support for it even without it being a daughter board and thus there is no module. So the reason you’re not finding an answer is because there isn’t support for it and there’s no results confirming this 100% because it’s a very esoteric niche question. That you think it’s not is perhaps an inability to estimate how many people might be trying to run audio on this combination of hardware.
      - harry8 4y ago
        Sure, reasonable inference except due to related reading I'm 100% sure a module exists. And works. What is it?
        vlovich123 4y ago
        lsmod + process of elimination and/or dumping the symbols. Are you also sure it's a loaded module rather than just being compiled into the kernel? If you figure it out and update this thread, I'm sure Google will have an actually useful answer for the next person.

What's the ideal result you'd want for that search? This is what I get: https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png

by Nition 4y ago

What's the ideal result you'd want for that search? This is what I get: https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png https://i.imgur.com/t0roTR2.png

harry8 4y ago

So the question I want to answer is "What is the name of the kernel module that drives the es9023 daughter board on the pine64 a64" Which of those results are you recommending as the answer? edit: completely and totally prepared to accept I'm being a moron. The name of the driver, the link where you got it and how you got the link from google and I will decry it loudly here.

chiph 4y ago
I gave ChatGPT a try - it just tells you to use lsmod and modinfo
- harry8 4y ago
  So google is as uselss for actual search as chatgpt nowadays...
- norvvryo 4y ago
  Bing Chat suggests the "snd_soc_pcm5102a" and "snd_soc_hifiberry_dac" drivers in creative mode, "snd_soc_es9023" in balanced, and failed to return results in precise. I doubt that's accurate. I tried using Startpage and DDG to see if I could do any better. I mostly found people complaining that their ES9023 POT wasn't working. PINE64's forum search returned a few topics with half-answers. Apparently a distro called "Volumio" works? There's a report of someone having success after modifying asound.conf on Debian Stretch. This leads me to believe that there's not much useful information about the POT, or that it's being posted somewhere that doesn't get indexed.
Nition 4y ago
You're not being stupid, I couldn't find that either. Although I do notice you wrote 9203 instead of 9023 in your suggested search. I get slightly more 9023-specific results with 9023 there: https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png https://i.imgur.com/V5ty2In.png I do think maybe you're expecting a little too much of any search engine for such an obscure query.
- harry8 4y ago
  Typo fixed. That's not obscure imho. What kernel driver do I use for this hardware is /exactly/ the kind of search google built its reputation on back in the old days when they did search. The shock for me is I really /expect/ that to be easy becuase so very many similar searches have been, using google search, before. I've noticed it getting steadily worse along these lines in ways it really did not used to be. I've noticed it being because it wants to recommend not search. Seems others are noticing the same. What alternative strategies do we have for search where we used to rely on google and now cannot?
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    I think what OP means is that there may not be a webpage answering this in the first place and thus there’s nothing for Google to index and return. Now of course, a sufficiently smart AI could know how to answer your query directly even if there’s no answer to your question made online. I don’t think the current batch of AI technologies can do that reliably. Edit: also doing a search for “kernel module es9023” yields enough hints that to me indicates that there isn’t support for it even without it being a daughter board and thus there is no module. So the reason you’re not finding an answer is because there isn’t support for it and there’s no results confirming this 100% because it’s a very esoteric niche question. That you think it’s not is perhaps an inability to estimate how many people might be trying to run audio on this combination of hardware.
    - harry8 4y ago
      Sure, reasonable inference except due to related reading I'm 100% sure a module exists. And works. What is it?
      - vlovich123 4y ago
        lsmod + process of elimination and/or dumping the symbols. Are you also sure it's a loaded module rather than just being compiled into the kernel? If you figure it out and update this thread, I'm sure Google will have an actually useful answer for the next person.