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How about letting the users flag each website with a label "seo spam", "useful", " fakenews", "inaccurate"... and display a summary of the votes as a badge bene

How about letting the users flag each website with a label "seo spam", "useful", " fakenews", "inaccurate"... and display a summary of the votes as a badge beneath each link in the search results? We could create a browser extension to add this functionality to all search engines at once. Using a web of trust mechanism to ensure that we only get real votes... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34999285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34999285

pushfoo 4y ago
Spammers would submit fake tags faster than everyday users. Since this is a social problem rather than a technical one, maybe old-school trust networks are worth considering instead.
- bnjms 4y ago
  I assume implicitly that votes only count for users two degrees of separation from you and it’s tied to real life friends registry. Wish FB hasn’t happened and the web of trust stuff turned into something useful.
  - pushfoo 4y ago
    I don't think real life is the main issue. Instead, it seems like the same issue PGP has: the benefits never outweighed the bad UX for most people.
    - colinsane 4y ago
      you probably don’t even need explicit voting. Google already tries to figure out which results a person found useful just based on existing UI interactions, and use that in the rankings. if they operated a significant social media arm, they could link these two datasets to basically the same effect we’re all speaking of here. heck they maybe already do this in a different/more hierarchical form based on a person’s Youtube graph.
      - MrVandemar 4y ago
        > Google already tries to figure out which results a person found useful just based on existing UI interactions They don't seem to be using that data to improve search results. I've noticed a considerable decline over the years, and Google is now definitely my 2nd or 3rd choice when I'm trying to find something.
      - supriyo-biswas 4y ago
        Google’s metric of on-page time (or whatever they call it) is an incredibly misleading metric though.
- charlieyu1 4y ago
  And fake tags/fake reviews are easy to detect, even for average users
Veen 4y ago
Wouldn't work. You'd have "SEO professionals" selling automated upvote, downvote, and labelling botnet services almost immediately. Nothing that can be gamed is reliable at scale.
- antifa 4y ago
  I suppose you could have tag curation limited to a vanguard of individuals who hold each other accountable and add new members slowly, maybe an invite system.
xgbi 4y ago
Tie this to a proof of « browse » and a blockchain to weed out the big players and you got yourself a business model !
- voz_ 4y ago
  Blockchain is garbage and totally irrelevant here.
  - originalcopying 4y ago
    no its not. blockchain is a legitimate innovation looking for an real world use case. blockchain technology's biggest problem is the fact that its use cases touch the ideological foundations of our global culture. And bitcoin operated on the foundational level of any all governments in the world. Bitcoin is just one use case of the technology, another is land registries. Again, foundational institutions of society; not the kind of thing that has ever been peacefully reformed ever. Your comment is evidence that 'cultural directors' of our civilization decided to destroy this technology. However it's funny to notice that they will proceed to implement their own versions of it: possibly the renminbi unless the dollars bomb them out of existence? but I'm so far into guesswork that this whole comment ought to be voted into the really light grays.
    - justinclift 4y ago
      > ... another is land registries. People have suggested this before. However, using "blockchain" for land registries doesn't seem any better than using a database + audit trail. eg standard tech Just because the land registry is stored in a block chain doesn't make it incorruptible. The exact same person/people that would submit correct information into the blockchain (eg gov officer) can be persuaded ($5 wrench approach, etc) to submit incorrect info to the blockchain: https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ Same problem set as the existing tech.
      - deleted 4y ago
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originalcopying 4y ago
brilliant, make your users do the work for you. also, for extra revenue, gotta develop an option to ignore user feedback and shove your links anyways to be sold as a special the advertisement plan. I suspect this would work better if done in secret... which is the problem with the 'trust' aspect of any such thing, IMO.
Dalewyn 4y ago
Steam has user tags. The last time I referred to them was to tag Elite: Dangerous Odyssey as "Early Access".

pushfoo 4y ago

Spammers would submit fake tags faster than everyday users. Since this is a social problem rather than a technical one, maybe old-school trust networks are worth considering instead.

bnjms 4y ago
I assume implicitly that votes only count for users two degrees of separation from you and it’s tied to real life friends registry. Wish FB hasn’t happened and the web of trust stuff turned into something useful.
- pushfoo 4y ago
  I don't think real life is the main issue. Instead, it seems like the same issue PGP has: the benefits never outweighed the bad UX for most people.
  - colinsane 4y ago
    you probably don’t even need explicit voting. Google already tries to figure out which results a person found useful just based on existing UI interactions, and use that in the rankings. if they operated a significant social media arm, they could link these two datasets to basically the same effect we’re all speaking of here. heck they maybe already do this in a different/more hierarchical form based on a person’s Youtube graph.
    - MrVandemar 4y ago
      > Google already tries to figure out which results a person found useful just based on existing UI interactions They don't seem to be using that data to improve search results. I've noticed a considerable decline over the years, and Google is now definitely my 2nd or 3rd choice when I'm trying to find something.
    - supriyo-biswas 4y ago
      Google’s metric of on-page time (or whatever they call it) is an incredibly misleading metric though.
charlieyu1 4y ago
And fake tags/fake reviews are easy to detect, even for average users

Veen 4y ago

Wouldn't work. You'd have "SEO professionals" selling automated upvote, downvote, and labelling botnet services almost immediately. Nothing that can be gamed is reliable at scale.

antifa 4y ago
I suppose you could have tag curation limited to a vanguard of individuals who hold each other accountable and add new members slowly, maybe an invite system.

xgbi 4y ago

Tie this to a proof of « browse » and a blockchain to weed out the big players and you got yourself a business model !

voz_ 4y ago
Blockchain is garbage and totally irrelevant here.
- originalcopying 4y ago
  no its not. blockchain is a legitimate innovation looking for an real world use case. blockchain technology's biggest problem is the fact that its use cases touch the ideological foundations of our global culture. And bitcoin operated on the foundational level of any all governments in the world. Bitcoin is just one use case of the technology, another is land registries. Again, foundational institutions of society; not the kind of thing that has ever been peacefully reformed ever. Your comment is evidence that 'cultural directors' of our civilization decided to destroy this technology. However it's funny to notice that they will proceed to implement their own versions of it: possibly the renminbi unless the dollars bomb them out of existence? but I'm so far into guesswork that this whole comment ought to be voted into the really light grays.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    > ... another is land registries. People have suggested this before. However, using "blockchain" for land registries doesn't seem any better than using a database + audit trail. eg standard tech Just because the land registry is stored in a block chain doesn't make it incorruptible. The exact same person/people that would submit correct information into the blockchain (eg gov officer) can be persuaded ($5 wrench approach, etc) to submit incorrect info to the blockchain: https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ Same problem set as the existing tech.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]

originalcopying 4y ago

brilliant, make your users do the work for you. also, for extra revenue, gotta develop an option to ignore user feedback and shove your links anyways to be sold as a special the advertisement plan. I suspect this would work better if done in secret... which is the problem with the 'trust' aspect of any such thing, IMO.

Dalewyn 4y ago

Steam has user tags. The last time I referred to them was to tag Elite: Dangerous Odyssey as "Early Access".