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I know what you're saying, but it needs to be stated that police are also civilians.

by sli 4y ago

the_lonely_road 4y ago
I googled civilian and the dictionary response Google presented disagrees with you. I don't have an opinion on the topic just pointing it out.
kodah 4y ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian It specifically mentions armed services, police, and firefighters are not civilians.
- true_religion 4y ago
  I’m more surprised that firefighters aren’t civilians, but EMTs are. Its not a blanket definition for all emergency services.
  - whythre 4y ago
    Bizarrely, we Americans treat our EMTs worse than other first responders. They are trained to a lower standard and paid less but still have demanding hours and lots of stress.
- nradov 4y ago
  That dictionary definition is simply factually and legally wrong. US law is very clear about who is and is not a civilian. Anyone acting as a sheriff's deputy is 100% a civilian. If you're not subject to the UCMJ then you're a civilian. (Some deputies are also military Reserve or National Guard members, but when activated they are no longer acting as civilian peace officers.)
  - kodah 4y ago
    Your definition is correct under international law, but that definition mainly aims to serve policies governing war, so it's not especially apt here. Civilian in law enforcement jargon means a non-sworn position: https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/civilian-law-enforcement/ https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/civilian-... To make this more interesting, Posse Comitatus employs the language to signal "non-Federal forces" eg: National Guard activated by a state to operate domestically are referred to as "civilian law enforcement". In any of the above cases, calling LEOs civilians would be incorrect and would eschew them of many of their responsibilities.

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I know what you're saying, but it needs to be stated that police are also civilians.

by sli 4y ago

I know what you're saying, but it needs to be stated that police are also civilians.

the_lonely_road 4y ago
I googled civilian and the dictionary response Google presented disagrees with you. I don't have an opinion on the topic just pointing it out.
kodah 4y ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian It specifically mentions armed services, police, and firefighters are not civilians.
- true_religion 4y ago
  I’m more surprised that firefighters aren’t civilians, but EMTs are. Its not a blanket definition for all emergency services.
  - whythre 4y ago
    Bizarrely, we Americans treat our EMTs worse than other first responders. They are trained to a lower standard and paid less but still have demanding hours and lots of stress.
- nradov 4y ago
  That dictionary definition is simply factually and legally wrong. US law is very clear about who is and is not a civilian. Anyone acting as a sheriff's deputy is 100% a civilian. If you're not subject to the UCMJ then you're a civilian. (Some deputies are also military Reserve or National Guard members, but when activated they are no longer acting as civilian peace officers.)
  - kodah 4y ago
    Your definition is correct under international law, but that definition mainly aims to serve policies governing war, so it's not especially apt here. Civilian in law enforcement jargon means a non-sworn position: https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/civilian-law-enforcement/ https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/civilian-... To make this more interesting, Posse Comitatus employs the language to signal "non-Federal forces" eg: National Guard activated by a state to operate domestically are referred to as "civilian law enforcement". In any of the above cases, calling LEOs civilians would be incorrect and would eschew them of many of their responsibilities.