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Opening sentence: >Britain has fallen behind Russia and China in the global supercomputing race and has a short window to catch-up, the Government has been war

Opening sentence: >Britain has fallen behind Russia and China in the global supercomputing race and has a short window to catch-up, the Government has been warned. I like how subtle the propaganda is here. Or maybe it's not subtle?

LatteLazy 4y ago
On one hand I agree. On the other hand, no one cares about science and tech unless <generic boggyman> might be beating us at it!
- senttoschool 4y ago
  Media headline when US makes a breakthrough: "Fusion energy breakthrough achieved, paving way for cheap energy for everyone". Media headline when China makes a breakthrough: "China achieves fusion breakthrough, could allow China to dominate the world"
  - tjpnz 4y ago
    Media headline in China when China makes a breakthrough: "Fusion energy breakthrough achieved, paving way for cheap energy for everyone". Media headline in China when US makes a breakthrough: "US achieves fusion breakthrough, could allow US to dominate the world"
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      Lived in China from 2017-2020. What you described wasn’t true in China but true in western mass media. I’ve written about how my friends in China were confused why the US was so hostile to China. They didn’t understand. They didn’t have the same negative perception about America as America had of them. Not sure about now though. Perhaps their perception of America is trending towards negative now that it’s clear to them that America does not like them.
      - Veen 4y ago
        Are you arguing that anti-Western media propaganda doesn't exist in China? Did you by any chance spend your three years in China walking about with a blindfold on?
        senttoschool 4y ago
        Have you been to China? Or are you just making this shit up from never having been to China or learned anything about its recent history? Do you actually think that the level of anti-China propaganda in western media is nearly the same as the level of anti-western propaganda in China over the last 6 years? How much propaganda did you drink to even reply the way you did?
      - tjpnz 4y ago
        I'm half basing this on the speeches given by China's top diplomat who always seems on the verge of a brain aneurysm when talking about the west. Do they not play him for local audiences?
- shaftoe444 4y ago
  The mineshaft gap?
- WeylandYutani 4y ago
  When the Dutch PM met with Biden a few months ago ASML was the first talking point on the agenda. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/video/2460251-rutte-en-biden-spreken-over-oorlog-en-chipmaker-asml https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/video/2460251-rutte-en-biden-spreke... Beating other countries is kind of the point otherwise you end up like Greece.
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    Of course, in this case the Dutch won by (1) investing for the long term and (2) not stopping when they were one step ahead of <other country>
    - WeylandYutani 4y ago
      Those who are first will later be last as Bob Dylan once sang.
Veen 4y ago
What propaganda? That it would be nice if Britain wasn't being beaten in the supercomputing industry by a totalitarian dictatorship and warmongering dictatorship? As a Brit, I think it's just common sense rather than propaganda.
- shaftoe444 4y ago
  Wanting to be wealthy and competent is dangerously right wing.
  - happymellon 4y ago
    Wanting to be competent is definitely not right wing. Remember "we have had enough of experts"?
    - Veen 4y ago
      Because this is often tendentiously quoted without context, here's what Gove actually said: > “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.” His problem is not with experts, but with people who claim the authority of experts without the track record or ability to justify that claim, i.e. people who are wrong most of the time, but expect you to believe them unquestioningly anyway. I'm sure we can all think of examples.
      - happymellon 4y ago
        Yep. Gove for one. Truss? Essentially the current makeup of the Tories. They all claim to know what's best whilst making everything worse. I'm trying to think of any examples where reputable authorities made statements that the government followed because it was the right thing to do, and wasn't a made up group from a Tory sponsor who was parroting the party line, and it was wrong.
- favaq 4y ago
  What exactly makes democracies better than "totalitarian dictatorships" and "warmongering dictatorships" at supercomputing so that it's such a shame that Britain is being beaten by China and Russia?
albertopv 4y ago
Russia started a war in Europe, after having interferied in UK brexit vote, and China is clearly supporting Russia. Call it propaganda if you want.

LatteLazy 4y ago

On one hand I agree. On the other hand, no one cares about science and tech unless <generic boggyman> might be beating us at it!

senttoschool 4y ago
Media headline when US makes a breakthrough: "Fusion energy breakthrough achieved, paving way for cheap energy for everyone". Media headline when China makes a breakthrough: "China achieves fusion breakthrough, could allow China to dominate the world"
- tjpnz 4y ago
  Media headline in China when China makes a breakthrough: "Fusion energy breakthrough achieved, paving way for cheap energy for everyone". Media headline in China when US makes a breakthrough: "US achieves fusion breakthrough, could allow US to dominate the world"
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    Lived in China from 2017-2020. What you described wasn’t true in China but true in western mass media. I’ve written about how my friends in China were confused why the US was so hostile to China. They didn’t understand. They didn’t have the same negative perception about America as America had of them. Not sure about now though. Perhaps their perception of America is trending towards negative now that it’s clear to them that America does not like them.
    - Veen 4y ago
      Are you arguing that anti-Western media propaganda doesn't exist in China? Did you by any chance spend your three years in China walking about with a blindfold on?
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        Have you been to China? Or are you just making this shit up from never having been to China or learned anything about its recent history? Do you actually think that the level of anti-China propaganda in western media is nearly the same as the level of anti-western propaganda in China over the last 6 years? How much propaganda did you drink to even reply the way you did?
    - tjpnz 4y ago
      I'm half basing this on the speeches given by China's top diplomat who always seems on the verge of a brain aneurysm when talking about the west. Do they not play him for local audiences?
shaftoe444 4y ago
The mineshaft gap?
WeylandYutani 4y ago
When the Dutch PM met with Biden a few months ago ASML was the first talking point on the agenda. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/video/2460251-rutte-en-biden-spreken-over-oorlog-en-chipmaker-asml https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/video/2460251-rutte-en-biden-spreke... Beating other countries is kind of the point otherwise you end up like Greece.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  Of course, in this case the Dutch won by (1) investing for the long term and (2) not stopping when they were one step ahead of <other country>
  - WeylandYutani 4y ago
    Those who are first will later be last as Bob Dylan once sang.

Veen 4y ago

What propaganda? That it would be nice if Britain wasn't being beaten in the supercomputing industry by a totalitarian dictatorship and warmongering dictatorship? As a Brit, I think it's just common sense rather than propaganda.

shaftoe444 4y ago
Wanting to be wealthy and competent is dangerously right wing.
- happymellon 4y ago
  Wanting to be competent is definitely not right wing. Remember "we have had enough of experts"?
  - Veen 4y ago
    Because this is often tendentiously quoted without context, here's what Gove actually said: > “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.” His problem is not with experts, but with people who claim the authority of experts without the track record or ability to justify that claim, i.e. people who are wrong most of the time, but expect you to believe them unquestioningly anyway. I'm sure we can all think of examples.
    - happymellon 4y ago
      Yep. Gove for one. Truss? Essentially the current makeup of the Tories. They all claim to know what's best whilst making everything worse. I'm trying to think of any examples where reputable authorities made statements that the government followed because it was the right thing to do, and wasn't a made up group from a Tory sponsor who was parroting the party line, and it was wrong.
favaq 4y ago
What exactly makes democracies better than "totalitarian dictatorships" and "warmongering dictatorships" at supercomputing so that it's such a shame that Britain is being beaten by China and Russia?

albertopv 4y ago

Russia started a war in Europe, after having interferied in UK brexit vote, and China is clearly supporting Russia. Call it propaganda if you want.