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What is a model of truth? And, do you have one yourself? Can you prove it? (*) When you're talking about entirely physical objects (i.e. no concepts, no abstra

What is a model of truth? And, do you have one yourself? Can you prove it? (*) When you're talking about entirely physical objects (i.e. no concepts, no abstract ideas) yes, you definitely have a clear edge on a system that has only ever seen text; on the other hand, you can talk perfectly reasonably about a chair without the need of actually manipulating one while you talk: which means that most of your reasoning about a chair is done on abstract concepts and relationships. * And, going meta: have you ever seen one or interacted with it with your senses or bodily appendages?

ChatGTP 4y ago
This is where we'll get into some super dangerous territory as a society. Questioning what truth is to make the bot seem better than it is. "Oh what's truth anyway, did you ever know it when you saw it, where's your truth model..." Some truth is hard won, we understand and have truths, maybe these truths only apply to us as humans to help us rationalize about the complex universe and environment we live in, but please don't discount truth so we can claim we've built a clever chat bot, because that is actually unintelligent behavior. You won't hurt the bots feelings if you say it doesn't understand logic and reasoning. It's a bot.
dopidopHN 4y ago
I don’t know what a model of truth is, but I know it’s really easy to make chatGpt says one thing, and then the exact opposite in the next message. When you call it out on it, it will sheepishly explains that he merely generate text, not writing knowledge or digging up fact. That seems remote from a model of truth. For the record I was talking about the moon last time the LLM was changing his mind on the go.
lisper 4y ago
> What is a model of truth? That's a fair question. A model of truth is a mapping between propositions and reality. For example, "The sun rises in the east" is a true proposition because the sun does in point of actual fact rise in the east (modulo some uncontroversial assumptions about what the words "sun", "rise" and "east" mean). > And, do you have one yourself? Yes. > Can you prove it? That depends on what you mean by "prove". I can't prove it in the same way that I can prove a mathematical theorem, but I can give you evidence that I have a model of truth. For example, if you ask ChatGPT what it believes, it will respond, "As an artificial intelligence language model, I do not have beliefs or opinions." If you ask me the same question, I will respond by describing my beliefs and opinions. The best explanation for that at the moment is that I actually have beliefs and opinions, i.e. a truth model, and ChatGPT doesn't. > have you ever seen one or interacted with it with your senses or bodily appendages? No, but that's simply because truth models are not material things. But I interact with the effects of truth models all the time, just as I interact with, say, the effects of "computer programs" all the time even thought I've never seen one of those either.

ChatGTP 4y ago

This is where we'll get into some super dangerous territory as a society. Questioning what truth is to make the bot seem better than it is. "Oh what's truth anyway, did you ever know it when you saw it, where's your truth model..." Some truth is hard won, we understand and have truths, maybe these truths only apply to us as humans to help us rationalize about the complex universe and environment we live in, but please don't discount truth so we can claim we've built a clever chat bot, because that is actually unintelligent behavior. You won't hurt the bots feelings if you say it doesn't understand logic and reasoning. It's a bot.

dopidopHN 4y ago

I don’t know what a model of truth is, but I know it’s really easy to make chatGpt says one thing, and then the exact opposite in the next message. When you call it out on it, it will sheepishly explains that he merely generate text, not writing knowledge or digging up fact. That seems remote from a model of truth. For the record I was talking about the moon last time the LLM was changing his mind on the go.

lisper 4y ago

> What is a model of truth? That's a fair question. A model of truth is a mapping between propositions and reality. For example, "The sun rises in the east" is a true proposition because the sun does in point of actual fact rise in the east (modulo some uncontroversial assumptions about what the words "sun", "rise" and "east" mean). > And, do you have one yourself? Yes. > Can you prove it? That depends on what you mean by "prove". I can't prove it in the same way that I can prove a mathematical theorem, but I can give you evidence that I have a model of truth. For example, if you ask ChatGPT what it believes, it will respond, "As an artificial intelligence language model, I do not have beliefs or opinions." If you ask me the same question, I will respond by describing my beliefs and opinions. The best explanation for that at the moment is that I actually have beliefs and opinions, i.e. a truth model, and ChatGPT doesn't. > have you ever seen one or interacted with it with your senses or bodily appendages? No, but that's simply because truth models are not material things. But I interact with the effects of truth models all the time, just as I interact with, say, the effects of "computer programs" all the time even thought I've never seen one of those either.