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its normalizing but for the worst in developed economies. housing is now out of reach while decades ago a blue collar salary was enough,to own a house.(in the U
by retinaros 4y ago
its normalizing but for the worst in developed economies. housing is now out of reach while decades ago a blue collar salary was enough,to own a house.(in the USA you can still get six digits blue collar jobs that lift you out of poverty and give you access to housing. in france that is merely a dream or a netflix show)
today already for many qualified workers (tech for instance) staying in india vs coming to france is better (there are other factors like healthcare or other that are at play but in pure economic power it would just be better to have a good it job in india vs europe) that was definitly not the case 20 even 10 years ago.
- ubercore 4y agoSix figure blue collar jobs are not super common in the US.
- notch898a 4y agoDefinitely one of those "it depends" situations. For instance, you could be illiterate middle school drop-out and pretty easily make very close if not six figures if you worked near minimum wage canning work all year in Alaska or something by working the season of every available catch (16 hours a day lots of OT). And you'd bank all your post-tax earnings as they provide the housing/food normally too. You may work yourself to the bone but pretty much anybody in the US can make a killing.
- jonfw 4y ago"Just move to one of the most remote and inhabitable places in the world, work twice as much as average, and you too can join the middle class"
- notch898a 4y agowhen I did it they paid for my flight, my housing, and my food... qualifications were homeless off the streets of seattle and I-9 (but lol, e-verify is not mandatory in alaska so as you can imagine such requirement was easily bypassed by anyone who wished). There is no real 'moving' process other than getting on the plane, everything is there. when you're working 16 hours a day 7 days a week you don't really notice much outside of the factory floor anyway. Whether it was remote or in Manhattan you wouldn't feel the difference as you do nothing but work. I was working ~112 hours a week when I was in Alaska.
- ticviking 4y agoThis is exactly how America became America.
- jonfw 4y agoExcept for the mainland of America has things like warm weather and days of uniform length
- crazygringo 4y agoDo you think frontier and settler life was easy and comfortable?
- jonfw 4y agoI think that this is a silly comparison for a variety of reasons, including the weather
- ticviking 4y agoSure. And the settlers nearly starved the first few winters in every colony despite that.
- midoridensha 4y agoIt was also a big, dangerous wilderness when Europeans first arrived. It wasn't a place you could just go travel to, get a nice cushy job, buy a nice house, and live a comfortable life.
- vkou 4y agoIt had land, free[1] for the taking. And in pre-industrial times, when 70% of the population were farmers, land was a direct, and immediate proxy for wealth. Wealth that stayed with you and your family. You were the owner, instead of some shitty sharecropper for a landlord. [1] I mean, aside from the natives.
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- uxp100 4y agoIs 40 hours a week of overtime available at canning jobs?
- noobermin 4y agoIt's not super common but it definitely is a thing...
- liketochill 4y agoIsn’t it pretty stabdars to make 100k plus as a plumber ?
- ideamotor 4y agoI think that is the norm for plumbers servicing areas with 1m+ homes. Granted that likely means they have a long commute even with that salary.
- ubercore 4y agoKnowing a few plumbers, I'm sure it can be, but it can be a very feast or famine trade. And most that make that own their own business, so still blue collar, but not exactly an everyman kind of job.