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Exploring a sexuality via any smartphone app or even storing this kind of content on a memory hotstoraged to a proprietary OS (iOS, Android, Windows) is totally

Exploring a sexuality via any smartphone app or even storing this kind of content on a memory hotstoraged to a proprietary OS (iOS, Android, Windows) is totally silly if you are going to become a politician or somebody who is required to have a clear reputation.

prottog 4y ago
Not many 13-17 year olds with enough foresight to think about stuff like that.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  I think you don't know todays youth... Most of them are keenly aware of exactly how information is shared or leaked. They know that if they do something stupid in public, there is a good chance of someone catching it on video, it being published, and them being teased or punished for it. Perhaps those born in the 80's might have been happy to do something illegal or stupid as long as it was only trusted friends looking on. But those born in the 2000's won't do something like that even with the audience being just trusted friends for fear of evidence spreading later. They all know how to screenshot a snap message without being detected...
shakow 4y ago
> somebody who is required to have a clear reputation. That's definitely the kind of thing we all knew ahead when we were 13-17.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
  Well maybe not all of us, but that's an impossible standard to meet. I distinctly remember elementary school classes, some 25 years ago where we had to learn about computer safety and privacy, and what the possible consequences of posting things online could be. We were <10 years old and we understood. I also remember a lot of kids in class working on their html website. I don't see why we should have lower standards for kids today, it's so sad how it all turned out.
  - shakow 4y ago
    The problem is that when we were young, not posting under you own name and cleaning cookies was virtually enough to keep you anonymized on the Internet. A teen wanting to discretely inform themselves on, let's say, sexual orientation, need to be careful about e.g. their Windows account and/or use a public device, mind their Chrome/Edge/... account, use another search engine than Google, use porn mode, be sure that the page they visit is not using Twitter/Google/Facebook/... trackers, clear cookies, clear profile, be careful with device fingerprinting, browser fingerprinting, etc. At some point, this is a losing battle.
- Hizonner 4y ago
  Back in the 1990s, David Brin was arguing that privacy was going to go away, and we were going to end up with a "transparent society", and that would be OK, because people would learn not to freak out over stupid crap. Hasn't happened yet. At least the not freaking out part hasn't.
  - bjelkeman-again 4y ago
    Didn’t he argue for full transparency both ways? That didn’t seem likely even then (even if I like his essay).
itronitron 4y ago
Unless you are seeking political office in the US, UK, France, Italy, etc...
Nasrudith 4y ago
That assumes social mores will stay static which is quite a leap. You could say the same thing about divorcees and draft dodgers in the past. If everybody sexted they'll look at anybody who suggests it is a disqualifier as an idiot.

prottog 4y ago

Not many 13-17 year olds with enough foresight to think about stuff like that.

londons_explore 4y ago
I think you don't know todays youth... Most of them are keenly aware of exactly how information is shared or leaked. They know that if they do something stupid in public, there is a good chance of someone catching it on video, it being published, and them being teased or punished for it. Perhaps those born in the 80's might have been happy to do something illegal or stupid as long as it was only trusted friends looking on. But those born in the 2000's won't do something like that even with the audience being just trusted friends for fear of evidence spreading later. They all know how to screenshot a snap message without being detected...

shakow 4y ago

> somebody who is required to have a clear reputation. That's definitely the kind of thing we all knew ahead when we were 13-17.

ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
Well maybe not all of us, but that's an impossible standard to meet. I distinctly remember elementary school classes, some 25 years ago where we had to learn about computer safety and privacy, and what the possible consequences of posting things online could be. We were <10 years old and we understood. I also remember a lot of kids in class working on their html website. I don't see why we should have lower standards for kids today, it's so sad how it all turned out.
- shakow 4y ago
  The problem is that when we were young, not posting under you own name and cleaning cookies was virtually enough to keep you anonymized on the Internet. A teen wanting to discretely inform themselves on, let's say, sexual orientation, need to be careful about e.g. their Windows account and/or use a public device, mind their Chrome/Edge/... account, use another search engine than Google, use porn mode, be sure that the page they visit is not using Twitter/Google/Facebook/... trackers, clear cookies, clear profile, be careful with device fingerprinting, browser fingerprinting, etc. At some point, this is a losing battle.
Hizonner 4y ago
Back in the 1990s, David Brin was arguing that privacy was going to go away, and we were going to end up with a "transparent society", and that would be OK, because people would learn not to freak out over stupid crap. Hasn't happened yet. At least the not freaking out part hasn't.
- bjelkeman-again 4y ago
  Didn’t he argue for full transparency both ways? That didn’t seem likely even then (even if I like his essay).

itronitron 4y ago

Unless you are seeking political office in the US, UK, France, Italy, etc...

Nasrudith 4y ago

That assumes social mores will stay static which is quite a leap. You could say the same thing about divorcees and draft dodgers in the past. If everybody sexted they'll look at anybody who suggests it is a disqualifier as an idiot.