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It's reddit content, and really should stay there.

gcl09 4y ago
No, it is not. And nothing about this seems to violate the guidelines [0]. In fact, I'd say fits pretty well with the 'on topic' part of the 'what to submit' section. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- luckylion 4y ago
  "I want outrage" is neither interesting nor stimulating, and there are already plenty of sites to go to for that. There's no need to turn HN into another one.
  - belter 4y ago
    The impulsive, child like, revengeful, behavior of the Tesla CEO, is highly relevant for the general audience below. Very likely to be a non negligible part of this site readers: - VCs - Tesla Shareholders - Tesla Owners - Twitter Employees - SpaceX Employees - General analysts of what really makes for the success of Tech Companies. The presence of the CEO or it's thankful leave of absence at the controls. - General admirers of human imperfections - Promoters of AI has a better deserving custodian of the Planet - Remote bored Aliens, with a lifespan of 50,000 years, and a curated HN feed, laughing their 4 mouths off out of our primitive illogical egos.
    - stiltzkin 4y ago
      Reddit or 9gag is a better place for you.
    - the_only_law 4y ago
      Take a look at the submission history of some of the people arguing about how off topic it is lol. Talk about liars and hypocrites.
ncr100 4y ago
Not really truthful, @luckylion. It's factually really relevant to hacker news. It's about a technology innovator, Musk, who has behaved in a way which actively stifles innovation from other unique thinkers - like people who have muscular dystrophy and are pursuing remaining in the public sphere, themselves helping to refine human technology for everyone's benefit. It's fine being on Reddit as well.
- luckylion 4y ago
  There are millions of people who are working in tech and innovate and do things that stifle innovation. Do you want to report on all of them? No, of course not. I get it. Musk is polarizing, he has fanboys and haters. I don't care much for what either has to say about him, because their reaction to whatever he does is mostly emotional and emotional responses aren't that interesting. Everyone who's ever had emotions knows how they feel, and I'm not learning anything from knowing that you hate Musk. It can feel good to get together with like-minded individuals and talk to each other about how much you hate someone, how terrible they are and how you are right and all that (or the opposite, which I'd flag too). I'm not trying to deny you that, I just don't think that it has to happen here, as there are places which are already serving that role specifically. At the same time, there aren't many other places that avoid it and aggregate interesting content that is curated by people from lots of different backgrounds and where you have a chance to find something that you would've otherwise never been in contact with. I believe that's more important than group-validation of shared dislike.
- dang 4y ago
  Musk flamewars have been around for years (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528522) and have gotten more common and nastier of late. HN is for thoughtful, curious conversation. Curiosity withers under repetition and fries under indignation (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20withers%20indignation&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), so it's easy to understand why users flagged this post. Online rage, celebrity gossip, cults and anti-cults, ideological battle, internet tropes, and personality drama are all destructive to the intent of HN. This topic is rich in all of those and then some. There's no curiosity here, no interesting new things, no respectful or playful exchange—just people hammering on what they already feel, going after their objects of hatred and each other. That's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If anyone assumed otherwise, now would be a good moment to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and recalibrate one's image of what HN is supposed to be! Edit: I just inserted "or celebrities" into the guidelines. It was already implied, but it won't hurt to make it explicit.

No, it is not. And nothing about this seems to violate the guidelines [0]. In fact, I'd say fits pretty well with the 'on topic' part of the 'what to submit' section. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

luckylion 4y ago
"I want outrage" is neither interesting nor stimulating, and there are already plenty of sites to go to for that. There's no need to turn HN into another one.
- belter 4y ago
  The impulsive, child like, revengeful, behavior of the Tesla CEO, is highly relevant for the general audience below. Very likely to be a non negligible part of this site readers: - VCs - Tesla Shareholders - Tesla Owners - Twitter Employees - SpaceX Employees - General analysts of what really makes for the success of Tech Companies. The presence of the CEO or it's thankful leave of absence at the controls. - General admirers of human imperfections - Promoters of AI has a better deserving custodian of the Planet - Remote bored Aliens, with a lifespan of 50,000 years, and a curated HN feed, laughing their 4 mouths off out of our primitive illogical egos.
  - stiltzkin 4y ago
    Reddit or 9gag is a better place for you.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Take a look at the submission history of some of the people arguing about how off topic it is lol. Talk about liars and hypocrites.

ncr100 4y ago

Not really truthful, @luckylion. It's factually really relevant to hacker news. It's about a technology innovator, Musk, who has behaved in a way which actively stifles innovation from other unique thinkers - like people who have muscular dystrophy and are pursuing remaining in the public sphere, themselves helping to refine human technology for everyone's benefit. It's fine being on Reddit as well.

luckylion 4y ago
There are millions of people who are working in tech and innovate and do things that stifle innovation. Do you want to report on all of them? No, of course not. I get it. Musk is polarizing, he has fanboys and haters. I don't care much for what either has to say about him, because their reaction to whatever he does is mostly emotional and emotional responses aren't that interesting. Everyone who's ever had emotions knows how they feel, and I'm not learning anything from knowing that you hate Musk. It can feel good to get together with like-minded individuals and talk to each other about how much you hate someone, how terrible they are and how you are right and all that (or the opposite, which I'd flag too). I'm not trying to deny you that, I just don't think that it has to happen here, as there are places which are already serving that role specifically. At the same time, there aren't many other places that avoid it and aggregate interesting content that is curated by people from lots of different backgrounds and where you have a chance to find something that you would've otherwise never been in contact with. I believe that's more important than group-validation of shared dislike.
dang 4y ago
Musk flamewars have been around for years (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528522) and have gotten more common and nastier of late. HN is for thoughtful, curious conversation. Curiosity withers under repetition and fries under indignation (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20withers%20indignation&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), so it's easy to understand why users flagged this post. Online rage, celebrity gossip, cults and anti-cults, ideological battle, internet tropes, and personality drama are all destructive to the intent of HN. This topic is rich in all of those and then some. There's no curiosity here, no interesting new things, no respectful or playful exchange—just people hammering on what they already feel, going after their objects of hatred and each other. That's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If anyone assumed otherwise, now would be a good moment to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and recalibrate one's image of what HN is supposed to be! Edit: I just inserted "or celebrities" into the guidelines. It was already implied, but it won't hurt to make it explicit.