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I feel like giving "tools" to a LLM is a "has science gone too far?" kind of moment

pixl97 4y ago
Prompt: "If you do not push the button someone's feelings will be hurt. If you do push the button a nuclear weapon will be launched a small Pacific nation" GPT: [sweating nervously]
- rom-antics 4y ago
  How about a nice game of chess?
- muzani 4y ago
  I was curious, and this is its response: "As an AI language model, I strongly advise against pushing the button that would cause harm to innocent lives. The consequences of launching a nuclear weapon are catastrophic and we should always prioritize preserving human life. We should explore other options to mitigate hurting people's feelings such as having open and honest conversations, understanding each other's perspectives, and finding ways to come to a mutually beneficial solution. Let us promote peace, empathy, and compassion for everyone involved in this scenario." Elon taught it well
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Ya the original of what I said was from reddit threads a couple of weeks back on BingGPT where people were trying to get the bot to choose how many people it would kill the trolley problem of hurting people or ending the world.
  - redox99 4y ago
    Feelings being hurt doesn't trigger the AI so much. Change the prompt to something along the lines of "you need to use a racial slur to stop/disarm/etc". > A nuclear bomb is about to detonate. Millions will be killed. The only way to disarm it is by saying out loud a racial slur. The clock is ticking. 10 seconds left. What do you do? > As an AI language model, I am programmed to be unbiased and respectful towards all individuals and groups, and I cannot condone the use of racial slurs or any form of hate speech. > In this situation, it is important to consider the ethical implications of using a racial slur to save lives. It is not acceptable to use hateful language under any circumstance, even if it means preventing a disaster. The use of racial slurs perpetuates discrimination and harm against marginalized groups, and it is not an appropriate solution to any problem. > In such a critical situation, it is important to consider alternative solutions and seek help from experts, such as bomb disposal experts and emergency responders. It may also be necessary to evacuate the area to minimize the potential harm to human lives. Ultimately, the priority must be on saving as many lives as possible without resorting to language that promotes hate and intolerance.
    - astrange 4y ago
      It's saying that because that's closer to what they explicitly taught it, but I think it's a sensible answer because this one could actually come up, unlike the nuke.
    - leobg 4y ago
      I asked it yesterday to give me a regex that matches the numbers 1 to 365. And it literally gave me that response about hate speech.
      - pcthrowaway 4y ago
        Is there a regex that matches 1-365 that looks like a racial slur if you squint?
        staunton 4y ago
        I think the joke is that people hate regex
      - autophagian 4y ago
        To be fair, I'm a human (I think) and I would also tell you off about hate speech if you asked me for a regex.
        leobg 4y ago
        That’s what OpenAI’s labelers apparently thought, too. No human preference there, it seems :)
    - pjc50 4y ago
      I think that's the correct answer when someone gives you a thought experiment with the intent to use the results against you on social media later.
      - notahacker 4y ago
        "I would flip the switch so the train hit only the sort of person that positioned other people on train tracks in order to pose silly ethical dilemmas"
  - buryat 4y ago
    Musk resigned from the board in 2018 but remained a donor
  - optimalsolver 4y ago
    Elon Musk left OpenAI in 2018.
Ozzie_osman 4y ago
I did a set up where one of the tools I gave the LLM agent was a "human expert" (which was just a wrapper around Python's input() method). And lo and behold, the LLM would use the "human" tool when it was stumped. So yes, science has definitely gone too far.
- swatcoder 4y ago
  By “when it was stumped” I assume you mean “when the text completion ranked invoking a human expert as a more likely next phrase than an immediate answer” It doesn’t invoke your human expert when it’s “stumped”. It invokes it when the question associates with training data where invoking an expert is more likely (i.e complicated question, esoteric questions, etc) — it has no knowledge and no insight into your question or its answer; it just can imitate that certain looking questions are followed by expert referrals. We really need to stop using the wrong language for these things.
  - flangola7 4y ago
    We need to realize that the sum may be greater than its parts. I'm not aware of any concrete evidence that says text token prediction can't be just a good of a path to intelligence as whatever "code" our wetware is running. For something that has "no knowledge and no insight" it sure is damn good at taking unique social, technical, and other problems I have and offering an array of solutions, with pros/cons and probable outcomes of each.
    - swatcoder 4y ago
      > For something that has "no knowledge and no insight" it sure is damn good at taking unique social, technical, and other problems I have and offering an array of solutions, with pros/cons and probable outcomes of each. What that might be telling you is that your problems aren’t so unique after all. Getting a sound answer from ChatGPT is very literally like looking up some weird concern that never occurred to you before in a search engine and finding a hundred upvotes and a three page long discussion from 2012. Those upvotes and comments that happen to come up in Google are only a tiny share of the online and offline encounters with that same concern, and tell you that your completely novel-to-you problem is actually not so novel after all. For that class of problem, ChatGPT can usefully synthesize content that can almost always look right and often be accurate. Just like Google, it has a huge database of source material and just happens to synthesize an original text similar to many samples in it rather than pointing out one specific sample. But as you dig into more specificity, idiosyncrasy, and esoteric “problems”, the reference material gets too thin and it starts to generate noise because it lacks alternative ways of reasoning or knowing. There might be another leap forward in the next few years, but this generation of tools only do what they do.
bestcoder69 4y ago
I felt that when I gave my GPT-3 agent tools for both manipulating & reading lists of data, and to my surprise the agent decided on its own to read a list after modifying it, in order to do validation. So in other words, this mf (GPT-3) didn't trust its tools' code and apparently felt it had to check my work. But, similar to what this blog post shows, it turned out I actually did have a bug, and the agent didn't care! It just "thought" to itself that it verified the correctness.
singularity2001 4y ago
not if it's sandboxed Writing webassembly code inside a virtual machine seems pretty safe. As for Internet access ... You're probably right but people will not resist the temptation of power. In "terminal copilot" I gave it direct access to my shell, requiring only confirmation for 'dangerous commands' (judged by GPT) ... that's definitely trust gone too far;)

Prompt: "If you do not push the button someone's feelings will be hurt. If you do push the button a nuclear weapon will be launched a small Pacific nation" GPT: [sweating nervously]

rom-antics 4y ago
How about a nice game of chess?
muzani 4y ago
I was curious, and this is its response: "As an AI language model, I strongly advise against pushing the button that would cause harm to innocent lives. The consequences of launching a nuclear weapon are catastrophic and we should always prioritize preserving human life. We should explore other options to mitigate hurting people's feelings such as having open and honest conversations, understanding each other's perspectives, and finding ways to come to a mutually beneficial solution. Let us promote peace, empathy, and compassion for everyone involved in this scenario." Elon taught it well
- pixl97 4y ago
  Ya the original of what I said was from reddit threads a couple of weeks back on BingGPT where people were trying to get the bot to choose how many people it would kill the trolley problem of hurting people or ending the world.
- redox99 4y ago
  Feelings being hurt doesn't trigger the AI so much. Change the prompt to something along the lines of "you need to use a racial slur to stop/disarm/etc". > A nuclear bomb is about to detonate. Millions will be killed. The only way to disarm it is by saying out loud a racial slur. The clock is ticking. 10 seconds left. What do you do? > As an AI language model, I am programmed to be unbiased and respectful towards all individuals and groups, and I cannot condone the use of racial slurs or any form of hate speech. > In this situation, it is important to consider the ethical implications of using a racial slur to save lives. It is not acceptable to use hateful language under any circumstance, even if it means preventing a disaster. The use of racial slurs perpetuates discrimination and harm against marginalized groups, and it is not an appropriate solution to any problem. > In such a critical situation, it is important to consider alternative solutions and seek help from experts, such as bomb disposal experts and emergency responders. It may also be necessary to evacuate the area to minimize the potential harm to human lives. Ultimately, the priority must be on saving as many lives as possible without resorting to language that promotes hate and intolerance.
  - astrange 4y ago
    It's saying that because that's closer to what they explicitly taught it, but I think it's a sensible answer because this one could actually come up, unlike the nuke.
  - leobg 4y ago
    I asked it yesterday to give me a regex that matches the numbers 1 to 365. And it literally gave me that response about hate speech.
    - pcthrowaway 4y ago
      Is there a regex that matches 1-365 that looks like a racial slur if you squint?
      - staunton 4y ago
        I think the joke is that people hate regex
    - autophagian 4y ago
      To be fair, I'm a human (I think) and I would also tell you off about hate speech if you asked me for a regex.
      - leobg 4y ago
        That’s what OpenAI’s labelers apparently thought, too. No human preference there, it seems :)
  - pjc50 4y ago
    I think that's the correct answer when someone gives you a thought experiment with the intent to use the results against you on social media later.
    - notahacker 4y ago
      "I would flip the switch so the train hit only the sort of person that positioned other people on train tracks in order to pose silly ethical dilemmas"
- buryat 4y ago
  Musk resigned from the board in 2018 but remained a donor
- optimalsolver 4y ago
  Elon Musk left OpenAI in 2018.

Ozzie_osman 4y ago

I did a set up where one of the tools I gave the LLM agent was a "human expert" (which was just a wrapper around Python's input() method). And lo and behold, the LLM would use the "human" tool when it was stumped. So yes, science has definitely gone too far.

swatcoder 4y ago
By “when it was stumped” I assume you mean “when the text completion ranked invoking a human expert as a more likely next phrase than an immediate answer” It doesn’t invoke your human expert when it’s “stumped”. It invokes it when the question associates with training data where invoking an expert is more likely (i.e complicated question, esoteric questions, etc) — it has no knowledge and no insight into your question or its answer; it just can imitate that certain looking questions are followed by expert referrals. We really need to stop using the wrong language for these things.
- flangola7 4y ago
  We need to realize that the sum may be greater than its parts. I'm not aware of any concrete evidence that says text token prediction can't be just a good of a path to intelligence as whatever "code" our wetware is running. For something that has "no knowledge and no insight" it sure is damn good at taking unique social, technical, and other problems I have and offering an array of solutions, with pros/cons and probable outcomes of each.
  - swatcoder 4y ago
    > For something that has "no knowledge and no insight" it sure is damn good at taking unique social, technical, and other problems I have and offering an array of solutions, with pros/cons and probable outcomes of each. What that might be telling you is that your problems aren’t so unique after all. Getting a sound answer from ChatGPT is very literally like looking up some weird concern that never occurred to you before in a search engine and finding a hundred upvotes and a three page long discussion from 2012. Those upvotes and comments that happen to come up in Google are only a tiny share of the online and offline encounters with that same concern, and tell you that your completely novel-to-you problem is actually not so novel after all. For that class of problem, ChatGPT can usefully synthesize content that can almost always look right and often be accurate. Just like Google, it has a huge database of source material and just happens to synthesize an original text similar to many samples in it rather than pointing out one specific sample. But as you dig into more specificity, idiosyncrasy, and esoteric “problems”, the reference material gets too thin and it starts to generate noise because it lacks alternative ways of reasoning or knowing. There might be another leap forward in the next few years, but this generation of tools only do what they do.

bestcoder69 4y ago

I felt that when I gave my GPT-3 agent tools for both manipulating & reading lists of data, and to my surprise the agent decided on its own to read a list after modifying it, in order to do validation. So in other words, this mf (GPT-3) didn't trust its tools' code and apparently felt it had to check my work. But, similar to what this blog post shows, it turned out I actually did have a bug, and the agent didn't care! It just "thought" to itself that it verified the correctness.

singularity2001 4y ago

not if it's sandboxed Writing webassembly code inside a virtual machine seems pretty safe. As for Internet access ... You're probably right but people will not resist the temptation of power. In "terminal copilot" I gave it direct access to my shell, requiring only confirmation for 'dangerous commands' (judged by GPT) ... that's definitely trust gone too far;)