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Those would not contain PII from your users though, unless you have terrible policies about copying personal information in random Google Docs.

cavisne 4y ago
Companies have to guess what is PII and what is not, the EU have no idea (other than they know which companies they want to punish)
- e12e 4y ago
  The GDPR is quite clear on defining PII, I don't understand why you would claim otherwise?
  - fmajid 4y ago
    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair
LunaSea 4y ago
All of these will absolutely contain PII every time.
- tpxl 4y ago
  Nice bit of FUD you got there. You can use Google Search and be 100% compliant, because Google doesn't see any customer data. Google chrome isn't even a service, I can't imagine how you'd manage to stick customer data in there. And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    There are also lots of companies that use AWS etc. for everything but customer PII and keep that in some SAP system on-prem.
  - LunaSea 4y ago
    Google Chrome through telemetry and account history synchronisation which log PII in URLs and searched. Google Search will see PII go by if your marketing team is researching leads on LinkedIn for example. > And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers. And that's great. What is the services stack your company is implementing? What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?
    - tpxl 4y ago
      I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email. > What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ? There are plenty of browser alternatives (firefox, safari, vivaldi, even chromium). There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own. You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.
      - LunaSea 4y ago
        > I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email. I meant both clouds and managed email / storages services. > safari Don't both Firefox and Safari have telemetry and various ping back services? > There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own. > You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers. Sure you can, I'm just saying that it is rarely if ever done in medium to large companies.

cavisne 4y ago

Companies have to guess what is PII and what is not, the EU have no idea (other than they know which companies they want to punish)

e12e 4y ago
The GDPR is quite clear on defining PII, I don't understand why you would claim otherwise?
- fmajid 4y ago
  “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

LunaSea 4y ago

All of these will absolutely contain PII every time.

tpxl 4y ago
Nice bit of FUD you got there. You can use Google Search and be 100% compliant, because Google doesn't see any customer data. Google chrome isn't even a service, I can't imagine how you'd manage to stick customer data in there. And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  There are also lots of companies that use AWS etc. for everything but customer PII and keep that in some SAP system on-prem.
- LunaSea 4y ago
  Google Chrome through telemetry and account history synchronisation which log PII in URLs and searched. Google Search will see PII go by if your marketing team is researching leads on LinkedIn for example. > And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers. And that's great. What is the services stack your company is implementing? What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?
  - tpxl 4y ago
    I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email. > What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ? There are plenty of browser alternatives (firefox, safari, vivaldi, even chromium). There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own. You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.
    - LunaSea 4y ago
      > I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email. I meant both clouds and managed email / storages services. > safari Don't both Firefox and Safari have telemetry and various ping back services? > There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own. > You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers. Sure you can, I'm just saying that it is rarely if ever done in medium to large companies.