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The CloudFlare folks wrote a good blog post on how they are seeing their customers use Edge compute — latency is far down on the list: https://blog.cloudflare.c

The CloudFlare folks wrote a good blog post on how they are seeing their customers use Edge compute — latency is far down on the list: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-workers-serverless-week/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-workers-serverless-we...

everybodyknows 4y ago
Hmm, that post is almost three years old -- still accurate?
- prdonahue 4y ago
  Yes, especially as compliance and regulatory frameworks continue to evolve and become more difficult to adhere to as mentioned elsewhere in the comments. We're inherently faster than other "serverless" platforms due to the scale and homogeneous design of our network, and that network has presence in nearly 50% more cities than it did just 3 years ago. We were plenty fast enough then and we're even faster now. Other things that customers (still) really care about: developer experience, ease of use, and cost. Nobody likes paying the AWS tax to move data around—they just want to use the best solution from the best cloud provider. Workers and the associated storage primitives allow them to pick and choose from the best that AWS, Azure, Cloudflare, GCP, et al. have to offer. (Disclaimer: I'm a long time Cloudflare employee focused on App Sec, and I speak to customers regularly who look to Workers largely for compliance reasons, but I don't work on the Developer Platform business. Am sure my Dev Platform peers will chime in with more nuanced answers!)
fmajid 4y ago
The US CLOUD Act means a EU customer cannot use a US cloud provider to host PII, even if the server itself is physically in the EU, because US law will still compel the provider to yield the data to US authorities. The European Commission is trying to paper over the cracks with a fig leaf of judicial review, but it's only a matter of time until a Schrems III decision from the CJEU invalidates that polite fiction.
- LunaSea 4y ago
  The amount of EU companies following this law is exactly 0.
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  - exac 4y ago
    I know I've personally spent a large portion of my time updating systems to be compliant in the last few years, in North American companies.
    - mro_name 4y ago
      might well have been yak shaving. If a company is under US jurisdiction it simply cannot comply to EU data protection.
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    - mananaysiempre 4y ago
      ... Are those North American companies prepared to willingly break EU laws then? Because in my (amateur) understanding it’s logically impossible to satisfy both CLOUD Act requirements and EU data protection ones (not just GDPR, but general due-process rights the CJEU considers required for privacy violations and US courts deny noncitizens).
      - mike_d 4y ago
        Yes. Whenever a US law and a foreign law conflict, the US law always wins when you are in the United States. Complying with US laws is also a perfectly valid defense if a European citizen or state ends up bringing action against you in a US court.
        4y ago

everybodyknows 4y ago

Hmm, that post is almost three years old -- still accurate?

prdonahue 4y ago
Yes, especially as compliance and regulatory frameworks continue to evolve and become more difficult to adhere to as mentioned elsewhere in the comments. We're inherently faster than other "serverless" platforms due to the scale and homogeneous design of our network, and that network has presence in nearly 50% more cities than it did just 3 years ago. We were plenty fast enough then and we're even faster now. Other things that customers (still) really care about: developer experience, ease of use, and cost. Nobody likes paying the AWS tax to move data around—they just want to use the best solution from the best cloud provider. Workers and the associated storage primitives allow them to pick and choose from the best that AWS, Azure, Cloudflare, GCP, et al. have to offer. (Disclaimer: I'm a long time Cloudflare employee focused on App Sec, and I speak to customers regularly who look to Workers largely for compliance reasons, but I don't work on the Developer Platform business. Am sure my Dev Platform peers will chime in with more nuanced answers!)

fmajid 4y ago

The US CLOUD Act means a EU customer cannot use a US cloud provider to host PII, even if the server itself is physically in the EU, because US law will still compel the provider to yield the data to US authorities. The European Commission is trying to paper over the cracks with a fig leaf of judicial review, but it's only a matter of time until a Schrems III decision from the CJEU invalidates that polite fiction.

LunaSea 4y ago
The amount of EU companies following this law is exactly 0.
- deleted 4y ago
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- exac 4y ago
  I know I've personally spent a large portion of my time updating systems to be compliant in the last few years, in North American companies.
  - mro_name 4y ago
    might well have been yak shaving. If a company is under US jurisdiction it simply cannot comply to EU data protection.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - mananaysiempre 4y ago
    ... Are those North American companies prepared to willingly break EU laws then? Because in my (amateur) understanding it’s logically impossible to satisfy both CLOUD Act requirements and EU data protection ones (not just GDPR, but general due-process rights the CJEU considers required for privacy violations and US courts deny noncitizens).
    - mike_d 4y ago
      Yes. Whenever a US law and a foreign law conflict, the US law always wins when you are in the United States. Complying with US laws is also a perfectly valid defense if a European citizen or state ends up bringing action against you in a US court.
      - 4y ago