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Freshly baked bread can be hard to obtain in many parts of the US. For me if I wanted fresh baked bread every day and not make it myself, I'd be looking at lik

by dmoy 4y ago

Freshly baked bread can be hard to obtain in many parts of the US. For me if I wanted fresh baked bread every day and not make it myself, I'd be looking at like 40-60 minutes of extra time per day if I drive there every day. The closest grocery store to me is 1.5 miles away up an extremely steep hill. Shit, fresh vegetables can be hard to obtain in many parts of the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert We've got ~20 million people who don't live near a grocery store with fresh food at all.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tub6eEdmjzs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tub6eEdmjzs heh... we have over fresh bakery shops IN EVERY STREET so you are no more than 10 house lengths away from one. It has no yeast, around 3% is salt but is made fresh and goes bad in hours so it is consumed HOT. I wonder if stuff like our centuries old tech can be replicated in more "modern" nations?
- pixl97 4y ago
  The problem in the US is housing density and dependence on cars. In the average US city a street may have an order of magnitude fewer people than a moderately dense city.
  - gnz11 4y ago
    Zoning laws generally exclude businesses from opening in residential neighborhoods. So no neighborhood bakery, butcher, produce, pub, etc within walking distances. Change the zoning laws, change the car dependencies.
    - sqeaky 4y ago
      This is also a major shift in culture and is likely to have unexpected side effects. Maybe those side effects are good, or bad, I don't know but zoning is a big deal and complex to the point of having emergent properties that should be considered.
    - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
      Why not have a "shopping area" in every locality, say in every block of houses? That way you would be employing people and people would just "walk" to get everything. Hyper-Local stores would only keep most essential in demand products while you'd have to go out and buy from big stores something niche.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  In the US you can literally purchase a bread machine for $60 and as long as you have the ingredients on hand, you can have a hot loaf of bread any time you have 5 minutes to measure and add the ingredients. Add the ingredients in the evening and enjoy fresh bread in the morning.
RobertRoberts 4y ago
Freshly baked bread is available to _everyone_. Buy some flour, take a cup of flour, mix some water, maybe some salt, squish it some and bake it. The downfall of society will happen within arms length of wisdom and knowledge.
- pixl97 4y ago
  Predicted in the Foundation series, except we don't get cool spaceships and such.
- tasty_freeze 4y ago
  Most people prefer leavened bread, which is far more involved that your recipe.
  - parasubvert 4y ago
    That’s a myth: leavened bread doesn’t need much more than that recipe. “No knead bread” was a craze 20 years ago in some circles when people (re)learned that all it takes is a bit of time to rise.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  There's a reason bakeries are so prevalent in many areas. That "squish it" part is a lot of work, and you have to wait long enough that it's not available for breakfast. Making it yourself counts as hard to obtain every day.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    I bake my own bread. It's very little work. The problem is the time commitment. You need to be there for a large part of the process. The first mixing and kneading takes the longest, maybe 5 minutes. After that every 20 minutes you need to come and fold for a minute 3 times. After that, let it rest for 8-16h (depending on dough temperature, amount of yeast, environment temperature). Then you do another 2 minutes of work. Half an hour later preheat the oven. Half an hour later put it in. Doing this over night you save a lot of time. I.e. you can start at 8pm and finish by 8am-9am if you wake up at 6am. But a lot of people can't stay home that long in the morning. So it's very little work in essence, but it's spread over a whole day. Perfect if you work remotely. Takes less time than most coffee breaks. But you need to be home.

by dmoy 4y ago

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tub6eEdmjzs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tub6eEdmjzs heh... we have over fresh bakery shops IN EVERY STREET so you are no more than 10 house lengths away from one. It has no yeast, around 3% is salt but is made fresh and goes bad in hours so it is consumed HOT. I wonder if stuff like our centuries old tech can be replicated in more "modern" nations?

pixl97 4y ago
The problem in the US is housing density and dependence on cars. In the average US city a street may have an order of magnitude fewer people than a moderately dense city.
- gnz11 4y ago
  Zoning laws generally exclude businesses from opening in residential neighborhoods. So no neighborhood bakery, butcher, produce, pub, etc within walking distances. Change the zoning laws, change the car dependencies.
  - sqeaky 4y ago
    This is also a major shift in culture and is likely to have unexpected side effects. Maybe those side effects are good, or bad, I don't know but zoning is a big deal and complex to the point of having emergent properties that should be considered.
  - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
    Why not have a "shopping area" in every locality, say in every block of houses? That way you would be employing people and people would just "walk" to get everything. Hyper-Local stores would only keep most essential in demand products while you'd have to go out and buy from big stores something niche.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
In the US you can literally purchase a bread machine for $60 and as long as you have the ingredients on hand, you can have a hot loaf of bread any time you have 5 minutes to measure and add the ingredients. Add the ingredients in the evening and enjoy fresh bread in the morning.

RobertRoberts 4y ago

Freshly baked bread is available to _everyone_. Buy some flour, take a cup of flour, mix some water, maybe some salt, squish it some and bake it. The downfall of society will happen within arms length of wisdom and knowledge.

pixl97 4y ago
Predicted in the Foundation series, except we don't get cool spaceships and such.
tasty_freeze 4y ago
Most people prefer leavened bread, which is far more involved that your recipe.
- parasubvert 4y ago
  That’s a myth: leavened bread doesn’t need much more than that recipe. “No knead bread” was a craze 20 years ago in some circles when people (re)learned that all it takes is a bit of time to rise.
Dylan16807 4y ago
There's a reason bakeries are so prevalent in many areas. That "squish it" part is a lot of work, and you have to wait long enough that it's not available for breakfast. Making it yourself counts as hard to obtain every day.
- carlmr 4y ago
  I bake my own bread. It's very little work. The problem is the time commitment. You need to be there for a large part of the process. The first mixing and kneading takes the longest, maybe 5 minutes. After that every 20 minutes you need to come and fold for a minute 3 times. After that, let it rest for 8-16h (depending on dough temperature, amount of yeast, environment temperature). Then you do another 2 minutes of work. Half an hour later preheat the oven. Half an hour later put it in. Doing this over night you save a lot of time. I.e. you can start at 8pm and finish by 8am-9am if you wake up at 6am. But a lot of people can't stay home that long in the morning. So it's very little work in essence, but it's spread over a whole day. Perfect if you work remotely. Takes less time than most coffee breaks. But you need to be home.