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And the worst of SEO pages are cooking recipes, where you have to scroll down screens of badly written meaningless text before you actually get to ingredients l

And the worst of SEO pages are cooking recipes, where you have to scroll down screens of badly written meaningless text before you actually get to ingredients list. At least Google still keeps indexing recipe microformats.

fnord123 4y ago
I haven't used Google in ages. Do they convert stupid recipes using volume for flour to use mass?
- j_crick 4y ago
  I haven’t noticed, but I usually hang around King Arthur’s website for bread recipes and they use mass and bakers’ percentages, so do other baker blogs that I may find. Maybe it’s different for things other than bread, but I can’t say. Hail Eris!
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I use this pretty often: https://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/flour_volume_weight.html https://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/flou...
carlosjobim 4y ago
Search your recipes on YouTube. It is a better way of getting the information and higher quality. Edit: To the friendly people downvoting me: Try for yourself and you'll be surprised how much good and informative content you can find on YouTube.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  Hi guys! Last month I was visiting my grandma... (3 minutes of this) ...so don't forget to like and subscribe this! Now, i usually use this kind of flour, but I decided to replace it with this special kind from my local farmers market, which is great, because it's sold by this old lady who works... (5 more minutes of that) ... so if you like putting ginger into your cookies, write it down in a comment (3 more minutes of this) ... now you have to fold in the cheese... i have a separate video (15 minutes) just explaining how to fold it in, so I won't show that here, but click the link in the description to see that ... Yeah... i prefer text. It's even wors with tech stuff.... do they expect me to retype the commands/code from the video?!
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    For recipes I've had good results with YouTube. Short videos, to the point, with a leaflet in the beginning showing ingredients needed. YouTube for tech stuff is the worst, I agree.
  - rokhayakebe 4y ago
    :D
- account42 4y ago
  No thanks, not going to watch a whole video to get an overview of what I need to prepare.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    If you're already adept or not looking into things that are challenging to you, then you might just need a list of ingredients. If somebody who has never cooked needs to dice onions for the dish and doesn't know how to do that, YouTube will help much more than any text. There are so many things and aspects that we don't have vocabulary for and is just faster showing.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Videos to teach technique make a lot of sense. Videos to convey a recipe, not so much.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  Videos are far less useful than text.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    Not at all! It depends greatly on the content and the person. For recipes it is actually useful to see with your own eyes how to do something. The same thing with many other things, such as for example carpentry and mechanics. I agree that text is better for tech content and for a lot of other things that are mostly text based, or more abstract. We've been conditioned into thinking text is better because we've all been through schooling, which consists of text books and a person yelling in front of a blackboard. If you let kids watch high quality YouTube videos instead, they would get a much better education.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Well, I should have said "text is better for me". Especially for recipes, which are a list of instructions. I just need to see the list, not have someone tell it to me. Videos aren't dense enough, information-wise. I can't just put them up on a screen as a reference, and they require too much interaction as I have to back up, play, back up, play, back up, etc. in order to use the information being relayed. If I only have a video telling me something, it's better than nothing, but it's going to slow me down, reduce my understanding, and will inevitably leave out detail that is important to me.
- kjs3 4y ago
  You're getting downvoted because those of us who have tried for ourselves often find videos vastly less useful, efficient or relevant than a bit of text. Especially in the world of the 'influencer'. Now you have half a video pimping their dozens of YouRedTwitTok accounts you just have to click on, the other influencers they're mutually shoveling traffic to, the products they're being paid to pimp...and if you're lucky you might get some information tacked onto the end.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    We all have to sift. No matter if the content is text, video or audio. If I'm undertaking a project of some magnitude - like cooking a new dish or changing my brakes - then I don't mind spending a little time to find the highest quality information. And for many things, that will be inside a YouTube video. Even if you have 100 million low quality content creators, you have at least a million high quality content creators.
    - kjs3 4y ago
      I can look at a blob of text and have an idea if it's worth looking deeper at in a glance, especially something structured like a recipe. I have to watch the video. That doesn't scale, and I frankly have better things to do than vet content creators via several or many minutes of inane video at a time, much less 'millions' of creators. In fact, the most efficient way I've found to find a new recipe that isn't a waste of time is to start with "ignore video sites" and "ignore influencer infested sites" (e.g. Instagram). Not that everything on YouTube is crap, just most things. Sometimes seeing a video of someone doing something is the only way I can figure it out. There are many particularly useful videos of how to use complicated test and measurement gear. And tying knots. But the video isn't efficient enough for me to start there.
      - carlosjobim 4y ago
        > I frankly have better things to do This is what I'm trying to say: Sometimes you don't have better things to do, because you need the knowledge that is in the video. If you're doing something important and somebody comes up to offer to show you a much better way of doing the task, does this have to be the response? "I have better things to do". Some YouTube videos are worth the time to watch, and I would argue that for recipes you'll spend your time better starting with videos vs search engines. Unless it's something you already know how to make and just need a reminder of the measurements of the recipe. Talking about cooking, you have the BBQ channels on YouTube, with people showing you how to best cut and prepare different cuts of meat. If you don't personally know somebody to show you these techniques you'd be lost with only text content and no video. I think it's easier for people to rage at an annoying YouTube video when trying to find information, than to rage at worthless SEO spam. But the solution is the same: close the tab and go back. It doesn't take many seconds to notice if a YouTube presenter is an idiot.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > Try for yourself I have, and I really dislike it a lot. I think video is one of the worst formats to convey a recipe in. I have seen some that write the recipe in the video description, and that's fine. But not enough do it to make YouTube a place I go to get recipes.
- trinsic2 4y ago
  LOL. Yeah lets all use youtube for our recipe gathering... Thats way better (sacrasm)
saberience 4y ago
Even worse, I've found myself directed to long recipe pages with a huge amount of prose about the history of the recipe, how the author developer it etc, BUT THEN THERE IS NO ACTUAL RECIPE! This has happened multiple times in the past year. And this was often the first or second result when Googling the recipe. wtf?
- account42 4y ago
  I've seen some where the recipe was vissible on desktop but hidden behind a button on mobile which can be easy to miss.
  - j_crick 4y ago
    That button thing is just the top level of douchebaggery right there. Sad
thefourthchime 4y ago
It's so bad someone wrote a Chrome Extension to just give you the dang recipe. It was posted here a while back.

fnord123 4y ago

I haven't used Google in ages. Do they convert stupid recipes using volume for flour to use mass?

j_crick 4y ago
I haven’t noticed, but I usually hang around King Arthur’s website for bread recipes and they use mass and bakers’ percentages, so do other baker blogs that I may find. Maybe it’s different for things other than bread, but I can’t say. Hail Eris!
JohnFen 4y ago
I use this pretty often: https://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/flour_volume_weight.html https://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/flou...

carlosjobim 4y ago

Search your recipes on YouTube. It is a better way of getting the information and higher quality. Edit: To the friendly people downvoting me: Try for yourself and you'll be surprised how much good and informative content you can find on YouTube.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Hi guys! Last month I was visiting my grandma... (3 minutes of this) ...so don't forget to like and subscribe this! Now, i usually use this kind of flour, but I decided to replace it with this special kind from my local farmers market, which is great, because it's sold by this old lady who works... (5 more minutes of that) ... so if you like putting ginger into your cookies, write it down in a comment (3 more minutes of this) ... now you have to fold in the cheese... i have a separate video (15 minutes) just explaining how to fold it in, so I won't show that here, but click the link in the description to see that ... Yeah... i prefer text. It's even wors with tech stuff.... do they expect me to retype the commands/code from the video?!
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  For recipes I've had good results with YouTube. Short videos, to the point, with a leaflet in the beginning showing ingredients needed. YouTube for tech stuff is the worst, I agree.
- rokhayakebe 4y ago
  :D
account42 4y ago
No thanks, not going to watch a whole video to get an overview of what I need to prepare.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  If you're already adept or not looking into things that are challenging to you, then you might just need a list of ingredients. If somebody who has never cooked needs to dice onions for the dish and doesn't know how to do that, YouTube will help much more than any text. There are so many things and aspects that we don't have vocabulary for and is just faster showing.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Videos to teach technique make a lot of sense. Videos to convey a recipe, not so much.
JohnFen 4y ago
Videos are far less useful than text.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  Not at all! It depends greatly on the content and the person. For recipes it is actually useful to see with your own eyes how to do something. The same thing with many other things, such as for example carpentry and mechanics. I agree that text is better for tech content and for a lot of other things that are mostly text based, or more abstract. We've been conditioned into thinking text is better because we've all been through schooling, which consists of text books and a person yelling in front of a blackboard. If you let kids watch high quality YouTube videos instead, they would get a much better education.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Well, I should have said "text is better for me". Especially for recipes, which are a list of instructions. I just need to see the list, not have someone tell it to me. Videos aren't dense enough, information-wise. I can't just put them up on a screen as a reference, and they require too much interaction as I have to back up, play, back up, play, back up, etc. in order to use the information being relayed. If I only have a video telling me something, it's better than nothing, but it's going to slow me down, reduce my understanding, and will inevitably leave out detail that is important to me.
kjs3 4y ago
You're getting downvoted because those of us who have tried for ourselves often find videos vastly less useful, efficient or relevant than a bit of text. Especially in the world of the 'influencer'. Now you have half a video pimping their dozens of YouRedTwitTok accounts you just have to click on, the other influencers they're mutually shoveling traffic to, the products they're being paid to pimp...and if you're lucky you might get some information tacked onto the end.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  We all have to sift. No matter if the content is text, video or audio. If I'm undertaking a project of some magnitude - like cooking a new dish or changing my brakes - then I don't mind spending a little time to find the highest quality information. And for many things, that will be inside a YouTube video. Even if you have 100 million low quality content creators, you have at least a million high quality content creators.
  - kjs3 4y ago
    I can look at a blob of text and have an idea if it's worth looking deeper at in a glance, especially something structured like a recipe. I have to watch the video. That doesn't scale, and I frankly have better things to do than vet content creators via several or many minutes of inane video at a time, much less 'millions' of creators. In fact, the most efficient way I've found to find a new recipe that isn't a waste of time is to start with "ignore video sites" and "ignore influencer infested sites" (e.g. Instagram). Not that everything on YouTube is crap, just most things. Sometimes seeing a video of someone doing something is the only way I can figure it out. There are many particularly useful videos of how to use complicated test and measurement gear. And tying knots. But the video isn't efficient enough for me to start there.
    - carlosjobim 4y ago
      > I frankly have better things to do This is what I'm trying to say: Sometimes you don't have better things to do, because you need the knowledge that is in the video. If you're doing something important and somebody comes up to offer to show you a much better way of doing the task, does this have to be the response? "I have better things to do". Some YouTube videos are worth the time to watch, and I would argue that for recipes you'll spend your time better starting with videos vs search engines. Unless it's something you already know how to make and just need a reminder of the measurements of the recipe. Talking about cooking, you have the BBQ channels on YouTube, with people showing you how to best cut and prepare different cuts of meat. If you don't personally know somebody to show you these techniques you'd be lost with only text content and no video. I think it's easier for people to rage at an annoying YouTube video when trying to find information, than to rage at worthless SEO spam. But the solution is the same: close the tab and go back. It doesn't take many seconds to notice if a YouTube presenter is an idiot.
JohnFen 4y ago
> Try for yourself I have, and I really dislike it a lot. I think video is one of the worst formats to convey a recipe in. I have seen some that write the recipe in the video description, and that's fine. But not enough do it to make YouTube a place I go to get recipes.
trinsic2 4y ago
LOL. Yeah lets all use youtube for our recipe gathering... Thats way better (sacrasm)

saberience 4y ago

Even worse, I've found myself directed to long recipe pages with a huge amount of prose about the history of the recipe, how the author developer it etc, BUT THEN THERE IS NO ACTUAL RECIPE! This has happened multiple times in the past year. And this was often the first or second result when Googling the recipe. wtf?

account42 4y ago
I've seen some where the recipe was vissible on desktop but hidden behind a button on mobile which can be easy to miss.
- j_crick 4y ago
  That button thing is just the top level of douchebaggery right there. Sad

thefourthchime 4y ago

It's so bad someone wrote a Chrome Extension to just give you the dang recipe. It was posted here a while back.