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This conversation needs someone fiddling in the background. No one had a normal economic life for several years. It’s a miracle that these levers have been adj
by b33j0r 4y ago
This conversation needs someone fiddling in the background.
No one had a normal economic life for several years. It’s a miracle that these levers have been adjusted to the point that everyone is like “well no one going to work for three years had no impact! What over-reactionaries!”
- ceejayoz 4y ago> no one going to work for three years Where did this happen?
- zamnos 4y agoI'm not sure about three years, but anywhere the service and entertainment industry was shut down due to Covid. Eg California.
- noah_buddy 4y agoIt was not even a year before people in the film business were returning to sets.
- midasuni 4y agoNo nobody works in California outside of that industry?
- realjhol 4y agoNot due to covid - due to government's hysterical overreaction to covid
- koudelka 4y agofor the purposes of this conversation, that’s a distinction without a difference
- School-Cotton 4y agoIt’s important to keep the distinction in mind. We can’t forget that the hardship we imposed on ourselves was a choice, and that we could have chosen differently.
- dd36 4y agoYeah, I don’t know a single person that didn’t work.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoA friend worked for Royal Caribbean in their entertainment division onboard. No work, no unemployment, a bit of stimulus, and had to crash at one of my homes so they weren’t homeless. Because no one rents to you when you have no assets and volatile income during a pandemic. Exhausted their emergency savings and modest retirement account. This is one of many of my associates in the service industry that had substantial employment challenges.
- takeda 4y agoHow came no unemployment? If you had regular job, you were eligible for unemployment there was also PUP enabled due to pandemic, so if you were self employed you could request unemployment under that. In addition there were also short periods of time where you could get extra $600/week (as it is impossible to survive for long on the usual unemployment amount)
- shagie 4y agohttps://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-line-crew-workers-lose-salaries-benefits-over-coronavirus-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-line-crew-workers-los... They tend to work as contractors on a limited term contract and international maritime labor laws are unlikely to require it. Note also the country of registry for the ships may have more lax labor laws too. (edit) The only instance of unemployment being mentioned in international maritime labor laws I've found is https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:91:0::NO::P91_SECTION:MLCA_AMEND_A2 https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:91:0::NO::... > Regulation 2.6 – Seafarer compensation for the ship’s loss or foundering > Purpose: To ensure that seafarers are compensated when a ship is lost or has foundered > 1. Seafarers are entitled to adequate compensation in the case of injury, loss or unemployment arising from the ship’s loss or foundering. This very specifically deals with ships sinking. Not "ok, no work everyone off." A delicate balance: The seafarers’ employment agreement, the system of the Maritime Labour Convention, 2006 and the role of flag States - https://hal.science/hal-01470314/document https://hal.science/hal-01470314/document also touches on unemployment (there's a single mention of it).
- majormajor 4y agoI find the idea that there's a "normal" period somewhat baffling. Conditions have been constantly changing for hundreds of years, from interest rates to investment strategies to technology to globalization etc. Nobody has a magic crystal ball for what's next.
- SimDeBeau 4y agoI don’t disagree, but it also seems possible to identify periods that are more unusual compared to their neighboring periods, and useful to talk about them.