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User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigat

User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons.

lelanthran 4y ago
> User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons. Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? Secondly, if the abortion is illegal, it's not unusual for the state to prosecute someone when the investigation of that person reveals other crimes. What would you propose instead? That any evidence of secondary criminal activity uncovered during an investigation of the primary activity be ignored?
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  > Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape and incest, some don't. Texas even offers a sizeable bounty for reporting abortions. This has already resulted in medical care being refused to women carrying stillborn children and other pregnancy complications fatal to either the mother or the child out of fear of prosecution. As for secondary criminal activity: I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that. This is the proof that the whole "if you've got nothing to hide" narrative surrounding state surveillance is dangerous. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-ro... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_Sta...
  - markles 4y ago
    > In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: It might surprise you, but people who don't live in America probably don't follow, nor care about the politics going on in specific states.
    - madeofpalk 4y ago
      Seems to be weird to roll into the comment section if you don't follow this, nor care.
    - aunty_helen 4y ago
      This was a big thing my dude. Coverage from all angles in multiple countries outside the us.
    - matsemann 4y ago
      Then they should perhaps read up on the situation before commenting? Like, this is the first sentence in the article we're discussing: > As abortion bans across the nation are implemented and enforced (...) So claiming ignorance is not a valid point.
    - misnome 4y ago
      This ceases to be a valid excuse when those people then jump into the middle of a discussion exclusively about laws and politics in the US.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    > I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that. I'm not sure this principle is a good one. Almost everyone had probably broken a law or two (yes, this meane there are too many bad laws, let me know if youve an idea of how to solve that), so by investigating someone for some random thing they haven't done you've got a good chance of finding something. This de facto gives imprisonment powers to the police and prosecutors office, giving plenty of opportunity for corruption.
    - 4y ago
- mulmen 4y ago
  You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic. Abortion legality varies by state in the US. This is a recent development. I wouldn’t expect to be prosecuted, or even investigated, for typing “how people get away with bank robbery” into Google. Or for watching The Dark Knight.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic. I did, and my understanding is that any secondary crimes uncovered during an investigation of a crime can be pursued. What about that do you disagree with?
    - mulmen 4y ago
      > Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? This part.
- OkGoDoIt 4y ago
  In the USA, abortions are now illegal in many states. This was a major change that took place last year.
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User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons.

lelanthran 4y ago

> User chat logs and search history released by social media companies to police can be used to prosecute people for abortion, even when they are being investigated for other reasons. Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? Secondly, if the abortion is illegal, it's not unusual for the state to prosecute someone when the investigation of that person reveals other crimes. What would you propose instead? That any evidence of secondary criminal activity uncovered during an investigation of the primary activity be ignored?

jeroenhd 4y ago
> Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: several American states have banned abortions[0][1] after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade. The federal government failed to implement any laws to safeguard access to abortions so overturning Roe vs Wade was all that conservatives needed. Some states have exceptions for rape and incest, some don't. Texas even offers a sizeable bounty for reporting abortions. This has already resulted in medical care being refused to women carrying stillborn children and other pregnancy complications fatal to either the mother or the child out of fear of prosecution. As for secondary criminal activity: I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that. This is the proof that the whole "if you've got nothing to hide" narrative surrounding state surveillance is dangerous. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-ro... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_Sta...
- markles 4y ago
  > In case you've been living under a rock for the last while: It might surprise you, but people who don't live in America probably don't follow, nor care about the politics going on in specific states.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    Seems to be weird to roll into the comment section if you don't follow this, nor care.
  - aunty_helen 4y ago
    This was a big thing my dude. Coverage from all angles in multiple countries outside the us.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    Then they should perhaps read up on the situation before commenting? Like, this is the first sentence in the article we're discussing: > As abortion bans across the nation are implemented and enforced (...) So claiming ignorance is not a valid point.
  - misnome 4y ago
    This ceases to be a valid excuse when those people then jump into the middle of a discussion exclusively about laws and politics in the US.
- concordDance 4y ago
  > I agree, if the police finds other illegal acts during a legal investigation, they should be allowed to act on that. I'm not sure this principle is a good one. Almost everyone had probably broken a law or two (yes, this meane there are too many bad laws, let me know if youve an idea of how to solve that), so by investigating someone for some random thing they haven't done you've got a good chance of finding something. This de facto gives imprisonment powers to the police and prosecutors office, giving plenty of opportunity for corruption.
  - 4y ago
mulmen 4y ago
You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic. Abortion legality varies by state in the US. This is a recent development. I wouldn’t expect to be prosecuted, or even investigated, for typing “how people get away with bank robbery” into Google. Or for watching The Dark Knight.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > You should do the bare minimum to familiarize yourself before wading in to this particular topic. I did, and my understanding is that any secondary crimes uncovered during an investigation of a crime can be pursued. What about that do you disagree with?
  - mulmen 4y ago
    > Firstly, can you even prosecute a woman for abortion? Aren't they legal? This part.
OkGoDoIt 4y ago
In the USA, abortions are now illegal in many states. This was a major change that took place last year.
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