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The best I've been able to come up is that freedom 0 applies only to humans. If a non-human entity is running the software, viz. some sort of corporation, then

The best I've been able to come up is that freedom 0 applies only to humans. If a non-human entity is running the software, viz. some sort of corporation, then it is not allowed to without a (expensive) license. I want to make the world better for people, not for Amazon.

sneak 4y ago
Corporations don't exist. Amazon is made of people: shareholders and staff. Software doesn't run itself and corporations don't run software: human beings do. There's no such thing as a non-human entity running software.
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- mattigames 4y ago
  From his/her wording I assume they mean some unspecified threshold before a group of people is considered a corporation. From my limited understanding I think it could be useful to have a license that is only for free for organizations made of (for example) 10 people or less.
  - throw_human 4y ago
    The license is only granted to natural born persons. The only people who don't grasp this simple fact are the ones who have never worked in a corporation. They very much own and run things legally. Which is why when the liquidation man comes a knocking you don't lose your shirt for owning stock in Enron.
    - yuhaa98 4y ago
      Now let's say somebody in a corp uses the software for some minor task. Are they allowed? Is it the person or the corp "using" it? If the latter, let's say me and my buddy both use the software individually, legally. We sit in the same room. Ok? We are together working on some non-profit project not involving the software. Ok? Now we use the software for it. Ok? Niw we make a profit. Ok? Where do you draw the line? RMS would be pretty opposed to these ideas.
      - throw_human 4y ago
        > Now let's say somebody in a corp uses the software for some minor task. Are they allowed? Is it the person or the corp "using" it? Not allowed. >If the latter, let's say me and my buddy both use the software individually, legally. We sit in the same room. Ok? We are together working on some non-profit project not involving the software. Ok? Now we use the software for it. Ok? Niw we make a profit. Ok? All allowed. The answer to all those questions are pretty simple and straight forward. I'm not sure why you're trying to muddy the waters here. >RMS would be pretty opposed to these ideas. RMS has failed catastrophically in his goal of letting users have access to the source code of the applications they use. I don't really care for what he has to say.
        imtringued 4y ago
        >RMS has failed catastrophically in his goal of letting users have access to the source code of the applications they use. I don't really care for what he has to say I don't know how you can say that unless you have impossibly high standards. If it wasn't for the GPL, Intel and AMD would have had zero incentive to opensource their drivers. NVIDIA and arm drivers are still proprietary but panfrost is in development. In an alternative timeline it is plausible that none of this would have happened.
- throw_human 4y ago
  >Corporations don't exist. Amazon is made of people: shareholders and staff. >Software doesn't run itself and corporations don't run software: human beings do. >There's no such thing as a non-human entity running software. People don't exist they are made up of cells. Humans don't run themselves: cells do. There is no such thing as a non-cell entity running humans.
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    > People don't exist they are made up of cells. > Humans don't run themselves: cells do. > There is no such thing as a non-cell entity running humans. Biology don't exist, they are made of atoms Cells dont run themselvs, atoms do. There is no such thing as a non atom entity running cells. We has a species have a hard time trusting atoms, they make up everything.
    - worthless-trash 4y ago
      And they say HN has no sense of humour.
MoOmer 4y ago
I’m a fan of the Sustainable Use license [0] for this reason, for some projects! [0]: https://docs.n8n.io/choose-n8n/faircode-license/ https://docs.n8n.io/choose-n8n/faircode-license/

sneak 4y ago

Corporations don't exist. Amazon is made of people: shareholders and staff. Software doesn't run itself and corporations don't run software: human beings do. There's no such thing as a non-human entity running software.

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mattigames 4y ago
From his/her wording I assume they mean some unspecified threshold before a group of people is considered a corporation. From my limited understanding I think it could be useful to have a license that is only for free for organizations made of (for example) 10 people or less.
- throw_human 4y ago
  The license is only granted to natural born persons. The only people who don't grasp this simple fact are the ones who have never worked in a corporation. They very much own and run things legally. Which is why when the liquidation man comes a knocking you don't lose your shirt for owning stock in Enron.
  - yuhaa98 4y ago
    Now let's say somebody in a corp uses the software for some minor task. Are they allowed? Is it the person or the corp "using" it? If the latter, let's say me and my buddy both use the software individually, legally. We sit in the same room. Ok? We are together working on some non-profit project not involving the software. Ok? Now we use the software for it. Ok? Niw we make a profit. Ok? Where do you draw the line? RMS would be pretty opposed to these ideas.
    - throw_human 4y ago
      > Now let's say somebody in a corp uses the software for some minor task. Are they allowed? Is it the person or the corp "using" it? Not allowed. >If the latter, let's say me and my buddy both use the software individually, legally. We sit in the same room. Ok? We are together working on some non-profit project not involving the software. Ok? Now we use the software for it. Ok? Niw we make a profit. Ok? All allowed. The answer to all those questions are pretty simple and straight forward. I'm not sure why you're trying to muddy the waters here. >RMS would be pretty opposed to these ideas. RMS has failed catastrophically in his goal of letting users have access to the source code of the applications they use. I don't really care for what he has to say.
      - imtringued 4y ago
        >RMS has failed catastrophically in his goal of letting users have access to the source code of the applications they use. I don't really care for what he has to say I don't know how you can say that unless you have impossibly high standards. If it wasn't for the GPL, Intel and AMD would have had zero incentive to opensource their drivers. NVIDIA and arm drivers are still proprietary but panfrost is in development. In an alternative timeline it is plausible that none of this would have happened.
throw_human 4y ago
>Corporations don't exist. Amazon is made of people: shareholders and staff. >Software doesn't run itself and corporations don't run software: human beings do. >There's no such thing as a non-human entity running software. People don't exist they are made up of cells. Humans don't run themselves: cells do. There is no such thing as a non-cell entity running humans.
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  > People don't exist they are made up of cells. > Humans don't run themselves: cells do. > There is no such thing as a non-cell entity running humans. Biology don't exist, they are made of atoms Cells dont run themselvs, atoms do. There is no such thing as a non atom entity running cells. We has a species have a hard time trusting atoms, they make up everything.
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    And they say HN has no sense of humour.

MoOmer 4y ago

I’m a fan of the Sustainable Use license [0] for this reason, for some projects! [0]: https://docs.n8n.io/choose-n8n/faircode-license/ https://docs.n8n.io/choose-n8n/faircode-license/