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While this is quite different to the usual content, I believe that sharing this information is important for members of our community and their families in orde

While this is quite different to the usual content, I believe that sharing this information is important for members of our community and their families in order to prepare for the possible outcomes. The title has been edited to fit. The complete title is: “Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state”

rbanffy 4y ago
This sounds absolutely terrible. There's a lot that needs fixing in the US right now.
- taylodl 4y ago
  It's all theater. Most of Florida's laws are getting struck down in the federal courts but that's not the point - the point is for Desantis to score political points in his bid for the 2024 presidential run. All that matters is he took the appropriate steps to "own" the libs. That's what passes for Republican governance these days. I'm old enough to remember when TV cameras were called idiot magnets. Now the idiots are TV camera magnets. Such is the way of the modern world.
  - rbanffy 4y ago
    Every law like this drags the Overton window further to the right by normalising the exclusionary discourse. The goal is not to get them passed at first try, but, if nothing is done, they will get passed at some point.
- bsaul 4y ago
  It does sound like common sense to me though... I'm still completely astonished that doctors allow teenagers to undergo sex change surgery or chemical procedures before the age of sexual consent, or the right to vote. Either we consider kids to be kids, and thus not totally "settled" psychologically (for the lack of a better word), or we don't. PS: the issue of taking kids custody out of trans parents is an entirely different matter though..And i agree that states "kidnapping" them is highly problematic.
  - hairofadog 4y ago
    Out of curiosity, how many minors do you believe undergo sex-reassignment surgery?
    - bsaul 4y ago
      i do hope this isn't more than a couple per year, worldwide. I don't have the numbers, but my fear is the "trend" effect. The fact that this issue is becoming widely discussed can easily influence teenagers into believing this is the solution to their problem (that's what teenagers do : they get easily influenced).
      - plorkyeran 4y ago
        Worldwide numbers are obviously complicated, but in the united states the median number per year is zero if you exclude intersex babies. Sexual reassignment surgery on minors is an entirely made up concern. Even HRT is unusual, and typically teens only receive puberty blockers specifically to let them defer the decision until adulthood.
      - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
        Part of gender affirming healthcare - which also includes possibly affirming a gender congruent to their sex - is extensive therapy and investigations by psychiatrists. People are not handed HRT like candies, nor do they undergo such surgeries on a whim. By banning gender affirming healthcare you force kids and adults to seek HRT off the market, from possibly malicious and opportunistic actors. It’s no different to drug policies really. The war on drugs has failed in every state and country that has attempted it, whereas the humanitarian approach taken by Portugal has shown to actually solve the issue. If indeed there is a trend, doesn’t it make more sense to have the kids reviewed by certified and approved medical professionals and give them therapy and evaluation instead of making it harder and hoping that they don’t go to gray market? There is an enormous amount of research done on the topic, and is definitely not new either.
      - drivingmenuts 4y ago
        > i do hope this isn't more than a couple per year, worldwide. Why? Unless you are the person involved, or part of their family, why would you even have a concern about someone else’s gender choice? You’re not the one who has to live their life and there’s a pretty low chance you’ll have any knowing contact with them whatsoever.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  These are growing pains caused by the U.S. being ahead of the curve in dealing with trans issues. So (if you think trans issues are legitimate), relative to the rest of the world, maybe the U.S. needs the least fixing. :p
  - rbanffy 4y ago
    > U.S. being ahead of the curve in dealing with trans issues. Florida is, but only in the sense Republicans are working on a "final solution to the trans question".
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rbanffy 4y ago

This sounds absolutely terrible. There's a lot that needs fixing in the US right now.

taylodl 4y ago
It's all theater. Most of Florida's laws are getting struck down in the federal courts but that's not the point - the point is for Desantis to score political points in his bid for the 2024 presidential run. All that matters is he took the appropriate steps to "own" the libs. That's what passes for Republican governance these days. I'm old enough to remember when TV cameras were called idiot magnets. Now the idiots are TV camera magnets. Such is the way of the modern world.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  Every law like this drags the Overton window further to the right by normalising the exclusionary discourse. The goal is not to get them passed at first try, but, if nothing is done, they will get passed at some point.
bsaul 4y ago
It does sound like common sense to me though... I'm still completely astonished that doctors allow teenagers to undergo sex change surgery or chemical procedures before the age of sexual consent, or the right to vote. Either we consider kids to be kids, and thus not totally "settled" psychologically (for the lack of a better word), or we don't. PS: the issue of taking kids custody out of trans parents is an entirely different matter though..And i agree that states "kidnapping" them is highly problematic.
- hairofadog 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, how many minors do you believe undergo sex-reassignment surgery?
  - bsaul 4y ago
    i do hope this isn't more than a couple per year, worldwide. I don't have the numbers, but my fear is the "trend" effect. The fact that this issue is becoming widely discussed can easily influence teenagers into believing this is the solution to their problem (that's what teenagers do : they get easily influenced).
    - plorkyeran 4y ago
      Worldwide numbers are obviously complicated, but in the united states the median number per year is zero if you exclude intersex babies. Sexual reassignment surgery on minors is an entirely made up concern. Even HRT is unusual, and typically teens only receive puberty blockers specifically to let them defer the decision until adulthood.
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      Part of gender affirming healthcare - which also includes possibly affirming a gender congruent to their sex - is extensive therapy and investigations by psychiatrists. People are not handed HRT like candies, nor do they undergo such surgeries on a whim. By banning gender affirming healthcare you force kids and adults to seek HRT off the market, from possibly malicious and opportunistic actors. It’s no different to drug policies really. The war on drugs has failed in every state and country that has attempted it, whereas the humanitarian approach taken by Portugal has shown to actually solve the issue. If indeed there is a trend, doesn’t it make more sense to have the kids reviewed by certified and approved medical professionals and give them therapy and evaluation instead of making it harder and hoping that they don’t go to gray market? There is an enormous amount of research done on the topic, and is definitely not new either.
    - drivingmenuts 4y ago
      > i do hope this isn't more than a couple per year, worldwide. Why? Unless you are the person involved, or part of their family, why would you even have a concern about someone else’s gender choice? You’re not the one who has to live their life and there’s a pretty low chance you’ll have any knowing contact with them whatsoever.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
These are growing pains caused by the U.S. being ahead of the curve in dealing with trans issues. So (if you think trans issues are legitimate), relative to the rest of the world, maybe the U.S. needs the least fixing. :p
- rbanffy 4y ago
  > U.S. being ahead of the curve in dealing with trans issues. Florida is, but only in the sense Republicans are working on a "final solution to the trans question".

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