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From another article: the person in question might be mentally disabled or otherwise incapable of understanding their infection[1]. It's otherwise hard to imagi
by woodruffw 4y ago
From another article: the person in question might be mentally disabled or otherwise incapable of understanding their infection[1]. It's otherwise hard to imagine why someone would walk around with an active (and not latent) tuberculosis infection for over a year.
Incarcerating someone is not an ideal outcome, but an understandable one in the presence of other pressures (like the absence of adequate mental health facilities). It would be interesting to see more reporting on those pressures.
[1]: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article272657405.html https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article272657405.h...
- ryandrake 4y ago> It's otherwise hard to imagine why someone would walk around with an active (and not latent) tuberculosis infection for over a year. If 2020/2021 taught us anything, it's that millions of people are totally fine with denying, ignoring and spreading a deadly, infectious disease, and actively fight/protest measures to stop it.
- irrational 4y agoI had the exact same thought. Prior to the pandemic, I would have agreed with OP. After the pandemic? Well, maybe “mentally disabled or otherwise incapable of understanding” is a good description of a huge percentage of the population.
- woodruffw 4y agoI empathize with this on a personal safety level, but all available evidence about this person indicates that they're just mentally ill. They're not part of a community of tuberculosis truthers or something like that; they're someone infected with a very deadly disease and will likely die if they aren't forcefully given treatment.
- woodruffw 4y agoCOVID and tuberculosis are pretty different diseases: active tuberculosis infections kill roughly half of their hosts[1]. People can believe all kinds of pigheaded and ignorant things about COVID because, in parts, they (1) either deny it exists or (2) minimize its effects. Tuberculosis denialism or minimalization aren't similarly common, to my knowledge. [1]: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosi...
- orev 4y agoThe point of that comment is that millions of people actively choose to ignore the entire concept of a health care system and the science underlying disease. Those people simply wouldn’t care about the differences between Covid and other diseases. They’re certainly not going to care about a WHO fact sheet.
- lolinder 4y agoLiving in a place where the majority of people are COVID skeptics to varying degrees, I can assure you that almost none of them would deny that tuberculosis is deadly. To listen to some of the people here, you would think that it's all-or-nothing: either you believe everything that comes out of the health care system or absolutely none of it. That's not accurate, and treating people that way doesn't help solve the problem.
- bequanna 4y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 4y agoI'd need to see a citation on that assertion. To my memory, lockdowns continued until vaccination allowed them to be relaxed.
- vl 4y agoYou are white-washing. In US in particular different states implement radically different lockdown policies. Now we see that states that implemented lightest policies did just fine.
- Avshalom 4y agoAbsolutely none of them had lockdowns. Some of them shut down various businesses and public spaces but aside from some curfews implemented in order to arrest BLM protesters no one was kept indoors.
- wrycoder 4y agoThough everyone hoped it would, SARS-2 vaccination has been shown to confer only modest protection against infection and contagion.[0] And, lockdowns were ineffective due to the high contagious nature of this virus and the fact that they weren't really "lockdowns", just restriction of movement for a fraction of the population. [0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v...
- seattle_spring 4y ago> COVID lockdowns and the other heavy-handed measures are now generally recognized as huge mistakes. Do you have some citations that show this to be widely true?
- emodendroket 4y agoBy whom? I wish they would have gone more heavy-handed and made everyone get vaccinated instead of wasting a bunch of time catering to the whiners.
- vl 4y ago[flagged]
- AlexandrB 4y ago> untested medicine Citation needed. COVID vaccines certainly weren't tested for as long as others, but they were tested on quite a few participants before being administered to everyone: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccines-clinical-trials-idUSKBN2A22D3 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccines-clinic...
- vl 4y agoPerhaps your memory fails you, but there literally was “non-FDA approved” banner on the Pfizer vaccine when I received it. Historically, these vaccines had least testing and wider deployment than any other medicine.
- Ixiaus 4y agoIt is your understanding failing you. What you've said here is both true and moving the goal post from your first claim while also ignoring the other fact: they were approved for emergency use which means they still were subjected to rigorous testing and trials. They did not have least testing, they underwent parallel trial testing.
- no-s 4y ago> They did not have least testing, they underwent parallel trial testing. yes, let us quibble: not tested to the degree required for regular FDA approval as safe and effective, hence “Emergency Use Authorization”. I think maybe piling on the OP is unwarranted here. IIRC in the UK the vaccines were touted by fact checkers as having “stopped hospitalisation and death from covid”, even though this was clearly not true from ONS data (yet more controversy abounds[1], predictably government statistics are intrinsically flawed because official agendas take precedence over reality[2]). [1] https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com [2] "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” - R.P. Feynman, 1986, Report of the PRESIDENTIAL COMMISSION on the Space Shuttle Challenger Accident, vol 2, appendix F.
- PaulKeeble 4y agoAnd 2022 through 2023. 26,555 Americans have died since the beginning of the year, many hundreds of thousands have gained Long Covid. Its not a historical event its one we are still living through and ever more people are fine with the death and disability risks and consequences on others.
- enkid 4y agoBy untested medicine do you mean a COVID vaccine, which is probably the most studied medicine in the history of medicine?
- zamalek 4y agoIn South Africa, where it's sadly still really common (especially "eXtensively Drug-Resistant" TB), people sell their treatment to drug dealers (who cook it into a recreational drug). I have never understood why, and I still don't understand people's behavior during the pandemic.
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago[flagged]
- lolinder 4y ago> How you so casually downplay all this damage wrought on people like me is worse than, say, a white person saying slavery wasn't that bad to a black person (because millions of lives were actively fucked very recently by policy from people like you and all you can do is gloat). There's no type of people I despise more on this planet than those like you, and you're the only type of people I actively hate. I was poised for an upvote until this paragraph. Maybe tone it down a little?
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- shultays 4y agoher active, contagious case of tuberculosis Yeah, the title does not do enough justice
- Timshel 4y agoTraitement cost / loss of revenue ?
- lost_tourist 4y agoSome poeple's religious views keep them from getting medical treatment (Christian Science for example) in such cases they have to agree to no longer participate or be out in the public since she will be a disease vector at that point. No matter what her mental condition or religious background she has no right to roam around and infect others.