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This seems to be par for the course for the "new" Ohio. Because there are/were some MAGA people in high office, I would not be surprise if the penalties for pr

by jmclnx 4y ago

This seems to be par for the course for the "new" Ohio. Because there are/were some MAGA people in high office, I would not be surprise if the penalties for protesters are sever. Also being the new Ohio, maybe the State Gov has no issues ignoring EPA regs :(

surge 4y ago
EPA is a captured entity and not doing anything about it. They trusted Norfolk Southern's own tests rather than doing their own. They're following the corporate line on this and not doing anything about it, similar to everyone else involved whose in a position of power.
- starkd 4y ago
  Same could be said for the FDA and CDC.
  - surge 4y ago
    It's a problem for most government institutions we rely on to protect us. There is a revolving door between them and the companies they're supposed to keep in check/regulate when it comes to those in high positions.
  - aintgonnatakeit 4y ago
    No, not really.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  This is how the EPA works and they do it that way because that is what the law says. EPA does not show up and test soil, they order responsible parties to test the soil.
  - surge 4y ago
    That's a major gap, there's no third party oversight, and they have all kinds of incentives to fudge the testing in their favor, including how they collect the samples, what's done in the labs, etc. If criminal investigative agencies have been caught faking DNA results in criminal cases (SBI lab in NC) because there was a conflict of interest between prosecuting cases and the defendent, you certainly can't trust corporations.
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      Address your complaints to the Congress. This is not something that is fixable with one weird trick.
    - ROTMetro 4y ago
      Conservatives have gutted enforcement agency regulations and replaced them with corporate self enforcement/self governance. Don't like it? Push for tougher corporate regulation and rewriting the statutes to give power back to the enforcement agencies (that were originally created as a response to events like this happening over and over and over).
  - oceanplexian 4y ago
    The EPA levies millions of dollars in fines against auto shops that do as much as list a few unapproved parts on eBay. They don’t investigate squat. The idea the EPA needs to follow some vetted and lengthy process with responsible experts is completely false. They have chosen to downplay this on purpose and the actions they are taking are are 100% political.
- deleted 4y ago
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dylan604 4y ago
But businesses would not be able to survive if they were to behave. Having the people pay for a wee bit of clean up on the corps behalf is an acceptable trade off for the privilege of having the corps be profitable to bring us all of the things. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs /s Yes, the sarcasm is dripping, but it is not far off from the beliefs of some legislative types. Whether they are MAGA or not is not relevant. We've seen this long before MAGA was a thing.

by jmclnx 4y ago

surge 4y ago

EPA is a captured entity and not doing anything about it. They trusted Norfolk Southern's own tests rather than doing their own. They're following the corporate line on this and not doing anything about it, similar to everyone else involved whose in a position of power.

starkd 4y ago
Same could be said for the FDA and CDC.
- surge 4y ago
  It's a problem for most government institutions we rely on to protect us. There is a revolving door between them and the companies they're supposed to keep in check/regulate when it comes to those in high positions.
- aintgonnatakeit 4y ago
  No, not really.
jeffbee 4y ago
This is how the EPA works and they do it that way because that is what the law says. EPA does not show up and test soil, they order responsible parties to test the soil.
- surge 4y ago
  That's a major gap, there's no third party oversight, and they have all kinds of incentives to fudge the testing in their favor, including how they collect the samples, what's done in the labs, etc. If criminal investigative agencies have been caught faking DNA results in criminal cases (SBI lab in NC) because there was a conflict of interest between prosecuting cases and the defendent, you certainly can't trust corporations.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Address your complaints to the Congress. This is not something that is fixable with one weird trick.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    Conservatives have gutted enforcement agency regulations and replaced them with corporate self enforcement/self governance. Don't like it? Push for tougher corporate regulation and rewriting the statutes to give power back to the enforcement agencies (that were originally created as a response to events like this happening over and over and over).
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  The EPA levies millions of dollars in fines against auto shops that do as much as list a few unapproved parts on eBay. They don’t investigate squat. The idea the EPA needs to follow some vetted and lengthy process with responsible experts is completely false. They have chosen to downplay this on purpose and the actions they are taking are are 100% political.
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dylan604 4y ago

But businesses would not be able to survive if they were to behave. Having the people pay for a wee bit of clean up on the corps behalf is an acceptable trade off for the privilege of having the corps be profitable to bring us all of the things. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs /s Yes, the sarcasm is dripping, but it is not far off from the beliefs of some legislative types. Whether they are MAGA or not is not relevant. We've seen this long before MAGA was a thing.