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The greatest such story I've ever read is this one from a GitHub issue comment: https://github.com/docker/cli/issues/267#issuecomment-695149477 https://github.

by mabbo 4y ago

The greatest such story I've ever read is this one from a GitHub issue comment: https://github.com/docker/cli/issues/267#issuecomment-695149477 https://github.com/docker/cli/issues/267#issuecomment-695149... > Sorry I missed your comment of many months ago. I no longer build software; I now make furniture out of wood. The hours are long, the pay sucks, and there's always the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw, but nobody asks me if I can add an RSS feed to a DBMS, so there's that :-)

User23 4y ago
> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration and a pinch.
- brookst 4y ago
  I think they were using it as shorthand for all of the physical risks that physical fabricators have, rather than saying circular saws are the one single risk and there is no mitigation.
  - pickledish 4y ago
    People might find it fun to know there is a literary term for this -- synecdoche! > a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice versa, as in Cleveland won by six runs (meaning “Cleveland's baseball team”) (in this case, "circular saws" representing the whole class of dangerous power tools)
    - mauvehaus 4y ago
      As a former Clevelander, I find that particular example unlikely :-D Still waiting for that World Series win.
  - chimprich 4y ago
    > shorthand Pun intended? :)
- falcolas 4y ago
  Even saw stops have bypasses, for when you need to cut a conductive material. And there are many other woodworking tools with the same amputative qualities.
- armagon 4y ago
  Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople. Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools. There is a solution, yes, but the problem is not solved.
  - LanceH 4y ago
    So you're saying to put the saws on the vehicles...
    - plonk 4y ago
      Requiring a driver's license for power tools isn't that bad an idea. That would probably be as popular as banning kitchen knives though.
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        Wait till you hear about gun injuries in the US
  - buggy6257 4y ago
    I bought a saw stop literally last week -- depending on your needs, they have a "compact" table saw which is basically equivalent to the craftsman jobsite $250 one, but it's $900. That said, it's head and shoulders above the basic ones in build quality, QoL features, and many other things too, PLUS it has the sawstop system. As a hobbyist in a small shop, I bought it as my "best saw i'll need for a very long time". The $200 saws are pieces of garbage that anyone who pursues the hobby for more than like a few months will rapidly discover the flaws of. Best bet is middle-road to get like a dewalt for $400 or so but even that has flaws compared to the sawstop.
  - mdorazio 4y ago
    Just a quick note on this since I ran into the same wtf? moment a few years ago. 1) Saw Stop holds a number of patents that legally prevented anyone else from adding the same tech to their saws. Most of the patents didn’t expire until 2021, but a few are still effective until 2024. We will probably see other manufacturers add similar features in 2025 as a result. 2) SawStop built its reputation on being a premium brand in addition to being safer. So the quality of components, materials, and build is a lot higher than what you get in even a mid grade dewalt saw. I still wouldn’t buy one at their exorbitant prices, but hopefully the “accidentally removing fingers” problem will be better solved in a few years.
mauvehaus 4y ago
That's me! It also generated a rather large discussion here and if you want to read how things were going up to that point, I posted a lengthy comment there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541964 How am I doing now? Still good, still grateful to be married to somebody who gets good health insurance through their job. Still need to update my website a bit (is that work ever really done?). Still working on the mix of building stuff and rustling up new business. Please feel free to reach out if you have a furniture need or a furniture windmill to tilt at (email in profile). I do sculptural light pieces too.
- mabbo 4y ago
  I need you to understand that I think about this comment all of the time. Every time someone asks for something ridiculous, I think "I could be making furniture out of wood". I doubt that I am alone in that.
  - ncr100 4y ago
    You are not alone @mabbo. https://youtu.be/E0uRr_5zTQg https://youtu.be/E0uRr_5zTQg Follow what makes you happy. You don't get a second life. How long are you going to be dead.
  - mauvehaus 4y ago
    I am continually surprised by how much that comment resonates with other programmers. I'm glad it brings you some joy and provides the idea of a different path should you decide to make a career change. Since HN has a lot of Bay Area folks, I feel that I should mention that The Krenov School[0] is but a short drive up the coast from you lot. I haven't been, but the student work I see from there on Instagram is a source of inspiration to me. [0] https://thekrenovschool.org/ https://thekrenovschool.org/
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    You're not remotely alone in that; this thread is full of people thinking the same. Save up money, buy land, build a small home, become a small scale farmer. That's a fantasy, but quite realizable. OK, first the kids have to grow up and leave the house if you have kids -- if you're not going to have a large income, then you'd best not have large responsibilities. Maybe you can supplement with consulting. Or maybe you'd take a job for a few years then semi-retire again.
bufordtwain 4y ago
My son is taking classes in IT and one of his current lecturers switched from carpentry to IT after cutting off several fingers.
- kerryoco 4y ago
  dang. Do they avoid high typing requirements, or have a workaround of some kind? I often wonder what my backup plan would be to any kind of hand injury, let alone missing fingers. I used to do a lot of carpentry but my fingers are intact.
counttheforks 4y ago
And we still can't do concurrent pushes/pulls

by mabbo 4y ago

User23 4y ago

> the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw This is a solved problem. SawStop will reduce the injury from amputation to somewhere between laceration and a pinch.

brookst 4y ago
I think they were using it as shorthand for all of the physical risks that physical fabricators have, rather than saying circular saws are the one single risk and there is no mitigation.
- pickledish 4y ago
  People might find it fun to know there is a literary term for this -- synecdoche! > a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice versa, as in Cleveland won by six runs (meaning “Cleveland's baseball team”) (in this case, "circular saws" representing the whole class of dangerous power tools)
  - mauvehaus 4y ago
    As a former Clevelander, I find that particular example unlikely :-D Still waiting for that World Series win.
- chimprich 4y ago
  > shorthand Pun intended? :)
falcolas 4y ago
Even saw stops have bypasses, for when you need to cut a conductive material. And there are many other woodworking tools with the same amputative qualities.
armagon 4y ago
Looks like the price has finally come down a bit, but it did seem to be $2000+ for something with a saw stop, but only $200+ for a regular table saw, making it out of reach of many home handypeople. Interestingly, as I recall, nearly as many people are injured each year from power tools as are injured in vehicular collisions (in the US) and way more people drive than use power tools. There is a solution, yes, but the problem is not solved.
- LanceH 4y ago
  So you're saying to put the saws on the vehicles...
  - plonk 4y ago
    Requiring a driver's license for power tools isn't that bad an idea. That would probably be as popular as banning kitchen knives though.
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      Wait till you hear about gun injuries in the US
- buggy6257 4y ago
  I bought a saw stop literally last week -- depending on your needs, they have a "compact" table saw which is basically equivalent to the craftsman jobsite $250 one, but it's $900. That said, it's head and shoulders above the basic ones in build quality, QoL features, and many other things too, PLUS it has the sawstop system. As a hobbyist in a small shop, I bought it as my "best saw i'll need for a very long time". The $200 saws are pieces of garbage that anyone who pursues the hobby for more than like a few months will rapidly discover the flaws of. Best bet is middle-road to get like a dewalt for $400 or so but even that has flaws compared to the sawstop.
- mdorazio 4y ago
  Just a quick note on this since I ran into the same wtf? moment a few years ago. 1) Saw Stop holds a number of patents that legally prevented anyone else from adding the same tech to their saws. Most of the patents didn’t expire until 2021, but a few are still effective until 2024. We will probably see other manufacturers add similar features in 2025 as a result. 2) SawStop built its reputation on being a premium brand in addition to being safer. So the quality of components, materials, and build is a lot higher than what you get in even a mid grade dewalt saw. I still wouldn’t buy one at their exorbitant prices, but hopefully the “accidentally removing fingers” problem will be better solved in a few years.

mauvehaus 4y ago

That's me! It also generated a rather large discussion here and if you want to read how things were going up to that point, I posted a lengthy comment there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541964 How am I doing now? Still good, still grateful to be married to somebody who gets good health insurance through their job. Still need to update my website a bit (is that work ever really done?). Still working on the mix of building stuff and rustling up new business. Please feel free to reach out if you have a furniture need or a furniture windmill to tilt at (email in profile). I do sculptural light pieces too.

mabbo 4y ago
I need you to understand that I think about this comment all of the time. Every time someone asks for something ridiculous, I think "I could be making furniture out of wood". I doubt that I am alone in that.
- ncr100 4y ago
  You are not alone @mabbo. https://youtu.be/E0uRr_5zTQg https://youtu.be/E0uRr_5zTQg Follow what makes you happy. You don't get a second life. How long are you going to be dead.
- mauvehaus 4y ago
  I am continually surprised by how much that comment resonates with other programmers. I'm glad it brings you some joy and provides the idea of a different path should you decide to make a career change. Since HN has a lot of Bay Area folks, I feel that I should mention that The Krenov School[0] is but a short drive up the coast from you lot. I haven't been, but the student work I see from there on Instagram is a source of inspiration to me. [0] https://thekrenovschool.org/ https://thekrenovschool.org/
- cryptonector 4y ago
  You're not remotely alone in that; this thread is full of people thinking the same. Save up money, buy land, build a small home, become a small scale farmer. That's a fantasy, but quite realizable. OK, first the kids have to grow up and leave the house if you have kids -- if you're not going to have a large income, then you'd best not have large responsibilities. Maybe you can supplement with consulting. Or maybe you'd take a job for a few years then semi-retire again.

bufordtwain 4y ago

My son is taking classes in IT and one of his current lecturers switched from carpentry to IT after cutting off several fingers.

kerryoco 4y ago
dang. Do they avoid high typing requirements, or have a workaround of some kind? I often wonder what my backup plan would be to any kind of hand injury, let alone missing fingers. I used to do a lot of carpentry but my fingers are intact.

counttheforks 4y ago

And we still can't do concurrent pushes/pulls