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Aren’t most young people depressed?

naikrovek 4y ago
smarter/more aware people are usually a bit more melancholy, because they see a lot of injustice and unfairness that others don't, I think. I don't think it has anything to do with being a liberal; that is said to trigger "engagement." so here comes some engagement: as an adult liberal I am saddened by all of the rights that conservatives have been taking away from people, lately. conservatives seem hell-bent on making any ideas newer than Puritanism illegal, such as books which tell unpleasant truths, or the fact that women have rights as human beings. this seems to be very quickly becoming a country where if you are not very conservative, you are simply not welcome, and this matches the attitudes of every true believer conservative that I've ever known in my life. every one of them wanted all diversity eliminated or expelled, though none would openly admit that, and they all experienced joy and satisfaction when they were able to tell someone "if you don't like it, get the f*** out!" the freedom they (the conservatives I have known well in my life) want is the freedom to tell others what to do, and the freedom from being told what to do. and yeah, that makes me sad.
- nradov 4y ago
  That's an interesting perspective. As an adult moderate I am saddened by all of the rights that liberals have been taking away from people, lately. Liberals seem hell-bent on imposing safetyism on people whether they want it or not. Like by locking students out of public schools and restricting the First Amendment right of free assembly during the pandemic. Or banning certain firearms. Or controlling speech under the guise of preventing harm. The freedom they (the liberals I have known well in my life) want is the freedom to tell others what to do "for their own good". That makes me sad. And I agree with you that many conservatives are as bad or worse when it comes to authoritarianism. But this is equally a problem on both sides of the left/right political spectrum.
  - naikrovek 4y ago
    what do you think the role of government is? if you are saying that the government should not take steps to keep it's populace safe, I wonder what you think the armed forces are for? what about fire departments? the police? what about regulations about things like food and drug safety? if you don't want those things, and it sounds like maybe you don't, then your only option is to leave society. societies and governments are how the people pool resources and protect themselves, as well as represent themselves to other governments and societies. protecting its people is literally a primary role of a government. > Like by locking students out of public schools example? > restricting the First Amendment right of free assembly during the pandemic. you don't get these rights during health crises. your freedom does not extend to the point where you intentionally curtail the freedom of another; you are not free to intentionally give another person a potentially deadly disease, nor are you free to put yourself in a position where the likelihood of spreading a particularly contagious and deadly virus is dramatically increased. > Or banning certain firearms. the 2nd amendment does not grant the right to bear ANY firearm, and the right for anyone to bear arms who is not in a well-trained militia is somewhat shaky, imo. stick to muskets and a 45-second reload process, please. i would be extremely surprised if the founders had fully automatic weapons in mind when that was written. > Or controlling speech under the guise of preventing harm. fan of hate speech, are you? again, your rights do not extend to the point where the rights of another are curtailed. one can't kill transgender people and claim that is free speech. one cannot harass people of color and call it free expression.
- haunter 4y ago
  > conservatives seem hell-bent on making any ideas newer than Puritanism illegal Interesting that you bring up the Puritans in this context when the emerging New Puritanism is strictly associated with the left
  - naikrovek 4y ago
    you have been dramatically misinformed. Dramatically. you will not find a liberal who believes that everyone should commit themselves to God and dedicate their lives to worship. not a single one.
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smarter/more aware people are usually a bit more melancholy, because they see a lot of injustice and unfairness that others don't, I think. I don't think it has anything to do with being a liberal; that is said to trigger "engagement." so here comes some engagement: as an adult liberal I am saddened by all of the rights that conservatives have been taking away from people, lately. conservatives seem hell-bent on making any ideas newer than Puritanism illegal, such as books which tell unpleasant truths, or the fact that women have rights as human beings. this seems to be very quickly becoming a country where if you are not very conservative, you are simply not welcome, and this matches the attitudes of every true believer conservative that I've ever known in my life. every one of them wanted all diversity eliminated or expelled, though none would openly admit that, and they all experienced joy and satisfaction when they were able to tell someone "if you don't like it, get the f*** out!" the freedom they (the conservatives I have known well in my life) want is the freedom to tell others what to do, and the freedom from being told what to do. and yeah, that makes me sad.

nradov 4y ago
That's an interesting perspective. As an adult moderate I am saddened by all of the rights that liberals have been taking away from people, lately. Liberals seem hell-bent on imposing safetyism on people whether they want it or not. Like by locking students out of public schools and restricting the First Amendment right of free assembly during the pandemic. Or banning certain firearms. Or controlling speech under the guise of preventing harm. The freedom they (the liberals I have known well in my life) want is the freedom to tell others what to do "for their own good". That makes me sad. And I agree with you that many conservatives are as bad or worse when it comes to authoritarianism. But this is equally a problem on both sides of the left/right political spectrum.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  what do you think the role of government is? if you are saying that the government should not take steps to keep it's populace safe, I wonder what you think the armed forces are for? what about fire departments? the police? what about regulations about things like food and drug safety? if you don't want those things, and it sounds like maybe you don't, then your only option is to leave society. societies and governments are how the people pool resources and protect themselves, as well as represent themselves to other governments and societies. protecting its people is literally a primary role of a government. > Like by locking students out of public schools example? > restricting the First Amendment right of free assembly during the pandemic. you don't get these rights during health crises. your freedom does not extend to the point where you intentionally curtail the freedom of another; you are not free to intentionally give another person a potentially deadly disease, nor are you free to put yourself in a position where the likelihood of spreading a particularly contagious and deadly virus is dramatically increased. > Or banning certain firearms. the 2nd amendment does not grant the right to bear ANY firearm, and the right for anyone to bear arms who is not in a well-trained militia is somewhat shaky, imo. stick to muskets and a 45-second reload process, please. i would be extremely surprised if the founders had fully automatic weapons in mind when that was written. > Or controlling speech under the guise of preventing harm. fan of hate speech, are you? again, your rights do not extend to the point where the rights of another are curtailed. one can't kill transgender people and claim that is free speech. one cannot harass people of color and call it free expression.
haunter 4y ago
> conservatives seem hell-bent on making any ideas newer than Puritanism illegal Interesting that you bring up the Puritans in this context when the emerging New Puritanism is strictly associated with the left
- naikrovek 4y ago
  you have been dramatically misinformed. Dramatically. you will not find a liberal who believes that everyone should commit themselves to God and dedicate their lives to worship. not a single one.
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