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you don't go to netflix to watch a movie at their place netflix delivers data to you are you saying the delivery man should only buy his car (AWS) and never h

you don't go to netflix to watch a movie at their place netflix delivers data to you are you saying the delivery man should only buy his car (AWS) and never help maintain the road (infrastructure)? why should the customer who order food has to pay for the road the delivery person will use? the customer already paid for the service! why, to you, this analogy only works when it doesn't benefit the customer? billions $ are circulating in the market, and our core infrastructures always has to suffer look at what happened in Ohio

JohnFen 4y ago
> netflix delivers data to you But Netflix, like everyone else, already pays for their use of the networks. This looks like double-dipping.
gameman144 4y ago
Netflix already invests a huge amount into backbone infrastructure. Asking them to pay for the infrastructure which users are purportedly already paying for is plain old double-dipping. Consider a gravel road that connects your cabin to the main city road. The HOA might charge periodic maintenance fees to keep that road operable, depending on how many miles get driven on it, essentially charging you for usage. If you then order delivery from a restaurant, then yes, it's very unreasonable for the restaurant to pay for that road's upkeep: they only need to travel that road because you ordered the food. The restaurant should still pay taxes which go towards maintaining the city roads, but your privately operated HOA doesn't get to toll them to get to your house.
baseballdork 4y ago
He's saying the infrastructure costs should be priced in already. Netflix pays their portion of costs to send data. I pay my portion of costs to my ISP to receive data. If ISPs are unable to maintain the infrastructure I'm paying for, then they're not pricing their services appropriately.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  we'll keep arguing until Asia gets better infrastructure than us oh wait... we'll keep arguing until Asia gets their interplanetary infrastructure before us oh wait.. the goal is not to make internet a burden to the people the goal is to make sure we are moving forward but this is something obscure to certain people over here, hence our situation
qeternity 4y ago
> netflix delivers data to you No, it doesn't. You pay your ISP to deliver Netflix data to you.
imtringued 4y ago
Your entire comment is incoherent. >netflix delivers data to you You have to stick with one story, you can't change your mind and expect people to not call you out. >are you saying the delivery man should only buy his car (AWS) and never help maintain the road (infrastructure)? If netflix runs their own delivery then they already pay for most of the costs including public infrastructure. There is no problem and no reason to pay extra for no additional service being rendered. >why should the customer who order food has to pay for the road the delivery person will use? the customer already paid for the service! I don't know in what universe you live but most companies that deliver products charge an extra delivery fee. In the case of the internet, the fee structure is split up so that data centers pay for delivery to a hub node and ISP customers pay for delivery from that hub node to their home. The delivery fee is merely split into two parts, absolutely nothing complicated. The delivery fee of the company is transparently included in their pricing and this means the entire delivery including infrastructure costs is already paid for. Your analogy regarding ISPs being the road makes no sense. ISPs are another delivery company, not a road company as most countries do not legislate that the infrastructure and service have to be separated into multiple companies. >billions $ are circulating in the market, and our core infrastructures always has to suffer What does that have to do with anything? High speed internet infrastructure is very cheap, you just need to build it but there is zero incentive to build out infrastructure if you can just charge more money without delivering a faster and higher quality service. We could have had high speed internet in every country if ISPs weren't incentivized to get subsidies for their copper networks and milk those cash cows dry until they get even more subsidies for the fiber roll out even though they have plenty of money.

JohnFen 4y ago

> netflix delivers data to you But Netflix, like everyone else, already pays for their use of the networks. This looks like double-dipping.

gameman144 4y ago

Netflix already invests a huge amount into backbone infrastructure. Asking them to pay for the infrastructure which users are purportedly already paying for is plain old double-dipping. Consider a gravel road that connects your cabin to the main city road. The HOA might charge periodic maintenance fees to keep that road operable, depending on how many miles get driven on it, essentially charging you for usage. If you then order delivery from a restaurant, then yes, it's very unreasonable for the restaurant to pay for that road's upkeep: they only need to travel that road because you ordered the food. The restaurant should still pay taxes which go towards maintaining the city roads, but your privately operated HOA doesn't get to toll them to get to your house.

baseballdork 4y ago

He's saying the infrastructure costs should be priced in already. Netflix pays their portion of costs to send data. I pay my portion of costs to my ISP to receive data. If ISPs are unable to maintain the infrastructure I'm paying for, then they're not pricing their services appropriately.

Kukumber 4y ago
we'll keep arguing until Asia gets better infrastructure than us oh wait... we'll keep arguing until Asia gets their interplanetary infrastructure before us oh wait.. the goal is not to make internet a burden to the people the goal is to make sure we are moving forward but this is something obscure to certain people over here, hence our situation

qeternity 4y ago

> netflix delivers data to you No, it doesn't. You pay your ISP to deliver Netflix data to you.

imtringued 4y ago

Your entire comment is incoherent. >netflix delivers data to you You have to stick with one story, you can't change your mind and expect people to not call you out. >are you saying the delivery man should only buy his car (AWS) and never help maintain the road (infrastructure)? If netflix runs their own delivery then they already pay for most of the costs including public infrastructure. There is no problem and no reason to pay extra for no additional service being rendered. >why should the customer who order food has to pay for the road the delivery person will use? the customer already paid for the service! I don't know in what universe you live but most companies that deliver products charge an extra delivery fee. In the case of the internet, the fee structure is split up so that data centers pay for delivery to a hub node and ISP customers pay for delivery from that hub node to their home. The delivery fee is merely split into two parts, absolutely nothing complicated. The delivery fee of the company is transparently included in their pricing and this means the entire delivery including infrastructure costs is already paid for. Your analogy regarding ISPs being the road makes no sense. ISPs are another delivery company, not a road company as most countries do not legislate that the infrastructure and service have to be separated into multiple companies. >billions $ are circulating in the market, and our core infrastructures always has to suffer What does that have to do with anything? High speed internet infrastructure is very cheap, you just need to build it but there is zero incentive to build out infrastructure if you can just charge more money without delivering a faster and higher quality service. We could have had high speed internet in every country if ISPs weren't incentivized to get subsidies for their copper networks and milk those cash cows dry until they get even more subsidies for the fiber roll out even though they have plenty of money.