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Not to mention all the bureaucracy surrounding Jira, Agile and other items, I may end up on that train too. Years ago, word of mouth directly from the user was

by jmclnx 4y ago

Not to mention all the bureaucracy surrounding Jira, Agile and other items, I may end up on that train too. Years ago, word of mouth directly from the user was good enough. Now, changes have to go through several levels of bureaucracy before it can even be looked at.

JKCalhoun 4y ago
Left the "industry" early for similar reasons. It used to be fun when it was looser, more bottom up. I was spoiled perhaps — but I can tell you the job ain't what it used to be.
- away271828 4y ago
  A lot of companies grew a lot, there's a lot of economic stress/caution, budgets are tight for things like travel, a lot of scrutiny around goals/performance measurement/financial metrics/etc. While there are certainly pockets of interesting activity, I see larger companies certainly battening down hatches. Was talking to someone just last night who is counting down the days to their next vest then they're out. I have to believe a lot of employee survey results at the moment are a train wreck.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    I wonder though about the younger engineers who are just entering or have only recently entered the field. Do they even know what it used to be like? I have met new engineers though that seem to enjoy the current structure of modern software engineering with all its unit tests, code reviews, lint, etc. Perhaps they would not have enjoyed the more freewheeling era that I thrived on.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      I suspect a lot of engineers who grew up in a very process-oriented environment would find the way things were often done a couple decades ago to be utter chaos. It depends on the size of the company as well, of course, but a lot of process-oriented tooling like git, ticketing systems, CI/CD, etc. have become pretty widespread standard practice.
      - JKCalhoun 4y ago
        Yes, it was utter chaos, and we liked it that way because we were the ones driving the clown car, ha ha.
coffeebeqn 4y ago
Depends on company size and culture really
datavirtue 4y ago
This. It makes me feel like dog shit at work to have to vet everything through a buckshot path of stakeholders. Often, they aren't even stakeholders. Creative? Have ideas? Good luck. Ladle on top of this working with tight-ass (would a smile or joke hurt?), pedantic burnt out devs (no wonder women don't want to code) and I'm faced with an emotional struggle almost every day. My favorite words seem to be: "fuck this."

by jmclnx 4y ago

JKCalhoun 4y ago

Left the "industry" early for similar reasons. It used to be fun when it was looser, more bottom up. I was spoiled perhaps — but I can tell you the job ain't what it used to be.

away271828 4y ago
A lot of companies grew a lot, there's a lot of economic stress/caution, budgets are tight for things like travel, a lot of scrutiny around goals/performance measurement/financial metrics/etc. While there are certainly pockets of interesting activity, I see larger companies certainly battening down hatches. Was talking to someone just last night who is counting down the days to their next vest then they're out. I have to believe a lot of employee survey results at the moment are a train wreck.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  I wonder though about the younger engineers who are just entering or have only recently entered the field. Do they even know what it used to be like? I have met new engineers though that seem to enjoy the current structure of modern software engineering with all its unit tests, code reviews, lint, etc. Perhaps they would not have enjoyed the more freewheeling era that I thrived on.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    I suspect a lot of engineers who grew up in a very process-oriented environment would find the way things were often done a couple decades ago to be utter chaos. It depends on the size of the company as well, of course, but a lot of process-oriented tooling like git, ticketing systems, CI/CD, etc. have become pretty widespread standard practice.
    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      Yes, it was utter chaos, and we liked it that way because we were the ones driving the clown car, ha ha.

coffeebeqn 4y ago

Depends on company size and culture really

datavirtue 4y ago

This. It makes me feel like dog shit at work to have to vet everything through a buckshot path of stakeholders. Often, they aren't even stakeholders. Creative? Have ideas? Good luck. Ladle on top of this working with tight-ass (would a smile or joke hurt?), pedantic burnt out devs (no wonder women don't want to code) and I'm faced with an emotional struggle almost every day. My favorite words seem to be: "fuck this."