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>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions

by singularity2001 4y ago

>>> allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store Just in time to replace that broken Siri thing with OpenAI based assistants! Previous app submissions were rejected on the basis of being "too close to existing functionality". Maybe they meant dysfunctionality? If the EU needs witnesses of anti-competitive behavior I volunteer.

nunez 4y ago
Absolutely cannot wait. Siri is garbage and has only existed this long because of it being the default.
- Scubabear68 4y ago
  It is frustrating and hilarious that saying my son's name triggers Siri every time, and it really not very close to "Hey Siri".
xiphias2 4y ago
Is there a good integration for Android? I never used Google Assistent, when I tried, it failed for basic tasks. I rented a car with Android Auto, went inside my podcast app, and couldn't go back to Google maps, and of course Android Auto makes google maps stop working on my mobile phone when android auto is on. So i was trying things like ,,go to maps'', ,,go to navigation'', ,,maps'', but none of them worked. Disconnecting and reconnecting andorid auto worked mostly (but not always)
corobo 4y ago
> Just in time to replace that broken Siri oooh that would be awesome. I'm at a point where I only use it for timers and it even gets that wrong sometimes "I created an alarm named Timer for 01:30am".. oh yeah I can't just say "timer one hour thirty" because Siri hates British people and parses the numbers wrong lmao. Also can we get multiple timers yet? Why is a device more powerful than the computer we used to send people to the moon limited to one timer? Can't wait!
- garblegarble 4y ago
  It's supported multiple timers for quite some, er, time. Try: "Hey Siri give me a 90 minute beef timer", "Hey siri give me a 25 minute chips timer"
  - corobo 4y ago
    Mine just seems to say "there's already a timer running, do you want to replace it?" Are we both talking about iPhone Siri?
    - garblegarble 4y ago
      Oh that's interesting! I'm using HomePods, how odd that iPhone Siri doesn't do multiple timers... It can work headlessly, so my guess is they've not bothered to write a UI for multiple timers on iOS... weird move
      - kayodelycaon 4y ago
        From what I recall, only HomePods support multiple timers... it's aggravating.
        X-Istence 4y ago
        Watch does too.
    - X-Istence 4y ago
      iPhone Siri doesn’t. HomePod/watch Siri does.
QuantumSeed 4y ago
I'm using an iOS shortcut that lets me make voice requests to OpenAI via Siri. It would be nice to eliminate that step!
- barkerja 4y ago
  Correct me if I am wrong, but you're using OpenAI simply to answer queries/questions, not to perform any actions. In that sense, it's not really an assistant. It's not creating reminders, sending texts, reading your messages, etc. Is this what you're wanting from an OpenAI integration?
minton 4y ago
It sounds like you might be happier in Android land. You can load whatever apps you want and even some you don’t[1]. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-fake-chatgpt-apps-to-push-windows-android-malware/amp/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-f...
- shaky-carrousel 4y ago
  No, apple hardware is better. And now software will be better too.
  - ericmay 4y ago
    Overall the experience will be worse. No doubt about that. Features like the Privacy Nutrition Scorecard (I can't remember what it's actually called) won't be nearly as powerful, for example, because other giant multi-national corporations will just create their own app stores to avoid playing by Apple's rules and "paying the Apple tax", which is something that they have to pay and end consumers don't. I.e. it's just a payment negotiation between big corporations. It'll also lead to fragmentation and you'll have to manage 5-10 different "app stores" in order to use apps that you use day-to-day right now. Overall it's just going to be a mess and really suck. Fortunately I don't use many apps so I don't see this affecting me personally other than occasional annoyance when I can't find something I may need in the future or having to help family members fix their phones now. For many though their experience using the iPhone will be degraded, particularly when it comes to software.
    - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
      >which is something that they have to pay and end consumers don't. I.e. it's just a payment negotiation between big corporations. I'm sure the execs sell a yacht to pay their Apple taxes target than pass on costs as they do for everything else. /s
      - ericmay 4y ago
        It's like this: There's a price that the market (consumers) will bear to pay for a service. Let's call it MyBigBrand and you charge $5/month or idk, $10 for a one-time purchase. Apple charges whatever their fee is, let's call it 30%, and they keep this fee and do lots of things with it including buy back stock and reinvest in improving their services. MyBigBrand comes along and says hey that's not fair! They launch a marketing campaign "The Apple Tax" and file lawsuits. Courts decide Apple should allow 3rd-party app stores or that they can't charge the fee or have to reduce it. In each of those scenarios, MyBigBrand continues to charge customers $5/month for their product. All that's occuring here is whether or not MyBigBrand gets to pay less to Apple or whether Apple gets to continue to charge MyBigBrand and eat into their margins. For a consumer you still pay the same fee for the product, or potentially you have to download some other app store that MyBigBrand owns or collaborates with MyOtherBigBrand on and then they split the costs and keep more of the margin. At the end of the day people are being duped into really caring about who gets to keep more of their money and it just doesn't matter, except that it appears Apple does something beneficial with the money they keep and having multiple app stores with exclusive apps will suck and be annoying.
rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
Just because you can download apps from an app store that is other than Apple's own does not mean that you can replace Apple's default apps. Considering the number of people who celebrated in response to your comment, I think I get it now why people support side-loading---they don't actually understand it and are merely projecting their own interpretations.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  That is a requirement for the DMA. It specifically calls out "virtual assistants" and being able to replace the default like with browsers.

nunez 4y ago

Absolutely cannot wait. Siri is garbage and has only existed this long because of it being the default.

Scubabear68 4y ago
It is frustrating and hilarious that saying my son's name triggers Siri every time, and it really not very close to "Hey Siri".

xiphias2 4y ago

Is there a good integration for Android? I never used Google Assistent, when I tried, it failed for basic tasks. I rented a car with Android Auto, went inside my podcast app, and couldn't go back to Google maps, and of course Android Auto makes google maps stop working on my mobile phone when android auto is on. So i was trying things like ,,go to maps'', ,,go to navigation'', ,,maps'', but none of them worked. Disconnecting and reconnecting andorid auto worked mostly (but not always)

corobo 4y ago

> Just in time to replace that broken Siri oooh that would be awesome. I'm at a point where I only use it for timers and it even gets that wrong sometimes "I created an alarm named Timer for 01:30am".. oh yeah I can't just say "timer one hour thirty" because Siri hates British people and parses the numbers wrong lmao. Also can we get multiple timers yet? Why is a device more powerful than the computer we used to send people to the moon limited to one timer? Can't wait!

garblegarble 4y ago
It's supported multiple timers for quite some, er, time. Try: "Hey Siri give me a 90 minute beef timer", "Hey siri give me a 25 minute chips timer"
- corobo 4y ago
  Mine just seems to say "there's already a timer running, do you want to replace it?" Are we both talking about iPhone Siri?
  - garblegarble 4y ago
    Oh that's interesting! I'm using HomePods, how odd that iPhone Siri doesn't do multiple timers... It can work headlessly, so my guess is they've not bothered to write a UI for multiple timers on iOS... weird move
    - kayodelycaon 4y ago
      From what I recall, only HomePods support multiple timers... it's aggravating.
      - X-Istence 4y ago
        Watch does too.
  - X-Istence 4y ago
    iPhone Siri doesn’t. HomePod/watch Siri does.

QuantumSeed 4y ago

I'm using an iOS shortcut that lets me make voice requests to OpenAI via Siri. It would be nice to eliminate that step!

barkerja 4y ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but you're using OpenAI simply to answer queries/questions, not to perform any actions. In that sense, it's not really an assistant. It's not creating reminders, sending texts, reading your messages, etc. Is this what you're wanting from an OpenAI integration?

minton 4y ago

It sounds like you might be happier in Android land. You can load whatever apps you want and even some you don’t[1]. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-fake-chatgpt-apps-to-push-windows-android-malware/amp/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-f...

shaky-carrousel 4y ago
No, apple hardware is better. And now software will be better too.
- ericmay 4y ago
  Overall the experience will be worse. No doubt about that. Features like the Privacy Nutrition Scorecard (I can't remember what it's actually called) won't be nearly as powerful, for example, because other giant multi-national corporations will just create their own app stores to avoid playing by Apple's rules and "paying the Apple tax", which is something that they have to pay and end consumers don't. I.e. it's just a payment negotiation between big corporations. It'll also lead to fragmentation and you'll have to manage 5-10 different "app stores" in order to use apps that you use day-to-day right now. Overall it's just going to be a mess and really suck. Fortunately I don't use many apps so I don't see this affecting me personally other than occasional annoyance when I can't find something I may need in the future or having to help family members fix their phones now. For many though their experience using the iPhone will be degraded, particularly when it comes to software.
  - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
    >which is something that they have to pay and end consumers don't. I.e. it's just a payment negotiation between big corporations. I'm sure the execs sell a yacht to pay their Apple taxes target than pass on costs as they do for everything else. /s
    - ericmay 4y ago
      It's like this: There's a price that the market (consumers) will bear to pay for a service. Let's call it MyBigBrand and you charge $5/month or idk, $10 for a one-time purchase. Apple charges whatever their fee is, let's call it 30%, and they keep this fee and do lots of things with it including buy back stock and reinvest in improving their services. MyBigBrand comes along and says hey that's not fair! They launch a marketing campaign "The Apple Tax" and file lawsuits. Courts decide Apple should allow 3rd-party app stores or that they can't charge the fee or have to reduce it. In each of those scenarios, MyBigBrand continues to charge customers $5/month for their product. All that's occuring here is whether or not MyBigBrand gets to pay less to Apple or whether Apple gets to continue to charge MyBigBrand and eat into their margins. For a consumer you still pay the same fee for the product, or potentially you have to download some other app store that MyBigBrand owns or collaborates with MyOtherBigBrand on and then they split the costs and keep more of the margin. At the end of the day people are being duped into really caring about who gets to keep more of their money and it just doesn't matter, except that it appears Apple does something beneficial with the money they keep and having multiple app stores with exclusive apps will suck and be annoying.

rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago

Just because you can download apps from an app store that is other than Apple's own does not mean that you can replace Apple's default apps. Considering the number of people who celebrated in response to your comment, I think I get it now why people support side-loading---they don't actually understand it and are merely projecting their own interpretations.

ThatPlayer 4y ago
That is a requirement for the DMA. It specifically calls out "virtual assistants" and being able to replace the default like with browsers.