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> In fact, our best move may simply be to wait for society to adapt. In the past, humans have shown a remarkable ability to change ... But not so much with thi

by tgv 4y ago

> In fact, our best move may simply be to wait for society to adapt. In the past, humans have shown a remarkable ability to change ... But not so much with things that fuck with our minds. Religion is a phenomenon that changes our views fundamentally, and I can't say we have overcome its influence, despite it being around for over 5000 years.

MrGilbert 4y ago
So Jesus was, in fact, one of the first Influencers around?
- Temporary_31337 4y ago
  yes, except all the other religions, priests, oracles, pharaohs before him. And his religion was based on on an interpretation of Judaism which was a thousand years old religion at a time, Other than that you're spot on ;)
disgruntledphd2 4y ago
> But not so much with things that fuck with our minds. Religion is a phenomenon that changes our views fundamentally, and I can't say we have overcome its influence, despite it being around for over 5000 years. Honestly, the change is the lack of religion in modern society. Maybe we'll adapt, maybe we won't. As a personal aside, Ireland de-catholicised really significantly during my lifetime, and while I'm super happy about lots of that, the loss of community in many places is quite real.
- tgv 4y ago
  Lack of religion is a change, but I mentioned religion as something that influences our thoughts, attitudes and behavior, and which all over the world has lead to conflict, e.g. The Struggles. In that sense, we have not been able to deal with that particular phenomenon, and, as you say, the only way seems to be to get rid of it. Quite the analogy for social media.
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    I think that summing up religion as something that is unambiguously bad is probably what I'm having trouble with. It's like saying science was a mistake, when the urge to figure things out appears to be a universal trait of humanity. It's kinda the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    - tgv 4y ago
      No, that wasn't my intention. But it's a mind/attitude altering trait, that did cause many problems, and we haven't managed to simply overcome it.

by tgv 4y ago

MrGilbert 4y ago

So Jesus was, in fact, one of the first Influencers around?

Temporary_31337 4y ago
yes, except all the other religions, priests, oracles, pharaohs before him. And his religion was based on on an interpretation of Judaism which was a thousand years old religion at a time, Other than that you're spot on ;)

disgruntledphd2 4y ago

> But not so much with things that fuck with our minds. Religion is a phenomenon that changes our views fundamentally, and I can't say we have overcome its influence, despite it being around for over 5000 years. Honestly, the change is the lack of religion in modern society. Maybe we'll adapt, maybe we won't. As a personal aside, Ireland de-catholicised really significantly during my lifetime, and while I'm super happy about lots of that, the loss of community in many places is quite real.

tgv 4y ago
Lack of religion is a change, but I mentioned religion as something that influences our thoughts, attitudes and behavior, and which all over the world has lead to conflict, e.g. The Struggles. In that sense, we have not been able to deal with that particular phenomenon, and, as you say, the only way seems to be to get rid of it. Quite the analogy for social media.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  I think that summing up religion as something that is unambiguously bad is probably what I'm having trouble with. It's like saying science was a mistake, when the urge to figure things out appears to be a universal trait of humanity. It's kinda the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
  - tgv 4y ago
    No, that wasn't my intention. But it's a mind/attitude altering trait, that did cause many problems, and we haven't managed to simply overcome it.