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Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switc

Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'

perceptronas 4y ago
Instead of ugly green bubble, android users will be shown as ugly yellow bubbles, reminding everyone of urine
- gloryjulio 4y ago
  As a multiphone holder(from the work), it's interesting to observe ppl to have such a sense of superiority of some msg apps
  - perceptronas 4y ago
    Its a joke that people here seem not to get because I did not add /s at the end. Obviously there is no superiority, but its pretty clear that green bubble design makes it unpleasant to look at [1] [1] - https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-gross-e03b52b12fed https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-...
teekert 4y ago
I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
- izacus 4y ago
  Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
  - teekert 4y ago
    Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy. Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting. I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Some geeks on Element.io. [0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+whatsapp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.nieuws.nl%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2F305%2F2015%2F12%2F05153708%2Fattentie-whatsapp-buurtpreventie.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+wha...
    - deaddodo 4y ago
      I don't understand what this sign is supposed to mean, can you give some deeper context?
      - imp0cat 4y ago
        Neighborhood watch using Whatsapp.
        deaddodo 4y ago
        Yes, I can also Google translate. That wasn’t the question. The question was: “What does that mean? And why is it particularly nefarious/concerning?” If I said “Neighborhood watch at /r/MyNeighborNameWatchDiscussion on reddit”, is that concerning too?
        teekert 4y ago
        It’s our government endorsing the use of an (in my opinion) horrible and closed platform. It’s public money being spend to promote a commercial company that’s not even Dutch and has a horrible privacy track record. Our local pirate party seems to agree, I’m always glad I voted for them when I read stuff like this: [0], what’s perhaps more crazy is that in that piece it is argued that WhatsApp is just how we call group chat apps :s. [0] https://blog.iusmentis.com/2021/05/10/mag-een-gemeente-whatsapp-reclamebordjes-ophangen-ter-buurtpreventie/ https://blog.iusmentis.com/2021/05/10/mag-een-gemeente-whats...
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  And I bet in classical Apple style, they would definitely gimp the Android iMessage app restricting some features, just to spite Android users and try to force them to buy iPhones. Android users will still be second class citizens so the transition off Whatsapp or Signal will not happen.
  - b3orn 4y ago
    Now that would be the stupidest thing to do, why would they want Android users to think that Apple services are broken? Shouldn't they do the exact opposite and have a really good app giving Android users a glimpse of the holy iPhone land?
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      That's what I was thinking but no, that was never the case with apple. If iMessage was as good on Android as it is on iOS, why would Android users switch? Or why would people buy iPhones in the first place? Internal documents from Apple prove that they had builds of iMessage ready for Android but never released them because Apple knew iMessage was one moat that kept the userbase loyal and annoyed Android users enough through the bubble color discrimination to make them switch to iphone. Like parents heading down cheaper iPhones to kids instead of buying them android phones so they can all use iMessage. FaceTime is currently available for Android users as well but the experience is shit to prove Android is poor and that iOS is the only way to go for the full experience. I'm not making all this UB but tech YouTubers extensively covered Apple's iMessage moat with proof and arguments and how this works in their favor so I won't go into all the details.
- raverbashing 4y ago
  Yes, it is as stupid as it sounds It's a messaging app, you can either pretend people will give 2 flocks about not being able to message you "in the right color", or you know, install Whatsapp or any other competing messenger
  - dkonofalski 4y ago
    It's not about the color...
- prepend 4y ago
  > it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp. Then you have a super blue bubble effect if everyone uses WhatsApp then you don’t communicate with people who aren’t on WhatsApp. My understanding of the blue bubble isn’t that the color matters it’s that iMessage functions only work with other iMessage users (eg, delivery is slightly different, sync with other devices, special emojis, reactions, etc). So if there’s one “green bubble” (ie, non-iMessage user) then the entire group text is downgraded to not do iMessage stuff.
  - gyy52380 4y ago
    There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.
    - yakireev 4y ago
      Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign corporation should not be a precondition to participating in the society, don't you think?
      - sph 4y ago
        Sorry, but that's your choice. The green bubble effect is because some people do not want or cannot afford an Apple phone. There's a huge difference. If Whatsapp came with a €400 base price and roughly 50% of people using something else, I'd understand.
      - teekert 4y ago
        You have my Respect (although the person you're responding to probably doesn't mean it like you take it). I probably could only do it while feeling good about it by self-hosting some Matrix bridge. Actually, I'd still feel bad because I'd support the system. Well, as a parent it really is difficult, you constantly have to explain yourself and arrange alternatives. Some context: Texting (SMSing we call it) is f-ing expensive here, ridiculous (25 ct/message? Unless you buy a plan, but why should you? There is Whatsapp... Nobody is going to use SMS with you, any parent will probably think: "Are you making me send an SMS [to come pick up your kid], really?").
snehk 4y ago
This isn't at all aimed at Apple, it's aimed at Facebook. Apple already has SMS messaging integrated, it just has a green bubble and there's nothing in the proposal that would force Apple to change anything about how the messages are presented.
techpression 4y ago
There's nothing in the regulation saying Apple has to make everything look the same, they're free to put whatever color they want on third party integrations.
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Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'

perceptronas 4y ago

Instead of ugly green bubble, android users will be shown as ugly yellow bubbles, reminding everyone of urine

gloryjulio 4y ago
As a multiphone holder(from the work), it's interesting to observe ppl to have such a sense of superiority of some msg apps
- perceptronas 4y ago
  Its a joke that people here seem not to get because I did not add /s at the end. Obviously there is no superiority, but its pretty clear that green bubble design makes it unpleasant to look at [1] [1] - https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-gross-e03b52b12fed https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-...

teekert 4y ago

I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.

izacus 4y ago
Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
- teekert 4y ago
  Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy. Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting. I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Some geeks on Element.io. [0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+whatsapp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.nieuws.nl%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2F305%2F2015%2F12%2F05153708%2Fattentie-whatsapp-buurtpreventie.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+wha...
  - deaddodo 4y ago
    I don't understand what this sign is supposed to mean, can you give some deeper context?
    - imp0cat 4y ago
      Neighborhood watch using Whatsapp.
      - deaddodo 4y ago
        Yes, I can also Google translate. That wasn’t the question. The question was: “What does that mean? And why is it particularly nefarious/concerning?” If I said “Neighborhood watch at /r/MyNeighborNameWatchDiscussion on reddit”, is that concerning too?
        teekert 4y ago
        It’s our government endorsing the use of an (in my opinion) horrible and closed platform. It’s public money being spend to promote a commercial company that’s not even Dutch and has a horrible privacy track record. Our local pirate party seems to agree, I’m always glad I voted for them when I read stuff like this: [0], what’s perhaps more crazy is that in that piece it is argued that WhatsApp is just how we call group chat apps :s. [0] https://blog.iusmentis.com/2021/05/10/mag-een-gemeente-whatsapp-reclamebordjes-ophangen-ter-buurtpreventie/ https://blog.iusmentis.com/2021/05/10/mag-een-gemeente-whats...
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
And I bet in classical Apple style, they would definitely gimp the Android iMessage app restricting some features, just to spite Android users and try to force them to buy iPhones. Android users will still be second class citizens so the transition off Whatsapp or Signal will not happen.
- b3orn 4y ago
  Now that would be the stupidest thing to do, why would they want Android users to think that Apple services are broken? Shouldn't they do the exact opposite and have a really good app giving Android users a glimpse of the holy iPhone land?
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    That's what I was thinking but no, that was never the case with apple. If iMessage was as good on Android as it is on iOS, why would Android users switch? Or why would people buy iPhones in the first place? Internal documents from Apple prove that they had builds of iMessage ready for Android but never released them because Apple knew iMessage was one moat that kept the userbase loyal and annoyed Android users enough through the bubble color discrimination to make them switch to iphone. Like parents heading down cheaper iPhones to kids instead of buying them android phones so they can all use iMessage. FaceTime is currently available for Android users as well but the experience is shit to prove Android is poor and that iOS is the only way to go for the full experience. I'm not making all this UB but tech YouTubers extensively covered Apple's iMessage moat with proof and arguments and how this works in their favor so I won't go into all the details.
raverbashing 4y ago
Yes, it is as stupid as it sounds It's a messaging app, you can either pretend people will give 2 flocks about not being able to message you "in the right color", or you know, install Whatsapp or any other competing messenger
- dkonofalski 4y ago
  It's not about the color...
prepend 4y ago
> it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp. Then you have a super blue bubble effect if everyone uses WhatsApp then you don’t communicate with people who aren’t on WhatsApp. My understanding of the blue bubble isn’t that the color matters it’s that iMessage functions only work with other iMessage users (eg, delivery is slightly different, sync with other devices, special emojis, reactions, etc). So if there’s one “green bubble” (ie, non-iMessage user) then the entire group text is downgraded to not do iMessage stuff.
- gyy52380 4y ago
  There is no bubble because literally everyone has whatshapp. It's even available on "dumb phones". I've never met anyone of any age who doesn't have it.
  - yakireev 4y ago
    Hello there, nice to meet you. Life without Whatsapp is not easy in the Netherlands, but is possible. The "super bubble" exists though, and it sucks. Most problems come from the "literally everyone has whatshapp" crowd like you, by the way, the people who deny the existence of the bubble. Could you please stop making my life harder? No, not "literally everyone" has Whatsapp: I don't. Agreeing to T&C of some foreign corporation should not be a precondition to participating in the society, don't you think?
    - sph 4y ago
      Sorry, but that's your choice. The green bubble effect is because some people do not want or cannot afford an Apple phone. There's a huge difference. If Whatsapp came with a €400 base price and roughly 50% of people using something else, I'd understand.
    - teekert 4y ago
      You have my Respect (although the person you're responding to probably doesn't mean it like you take it). I probably could only do it while feeling good about it by self-hosting some Matrix bridge. Actually, I'd still feel bad because I'd support the system. Well, as a parent it really is difficult, you constantly have to explain yourself and arrange alternatives. Some context: Texting (SMSing we call it) is f-ing expensive here, ridiculous (25 ct/message? Unless you buy a plan, but why should you? There is Whatsapp... Nobody is going to use SMS with you, any parent will probably think: "Are you making me send an SMS [to come pick up your kid], really?").

snehk 4y ago

This isn't at all aimed at Apple, it's aimed at Facebook. Apple already has SMS messaging integrated, it just has a green bubble and there's nothing in the proposal that would force Apple to change anything about how the messages are presented.

techpression 4y ago

There's nothing in the regulation saying Apple has to make everything look the same, they're free to put whatever color they want on third party integrations.

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