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If stars align right for Apple, this can at least with some probability that they can kill WhatsApp in a few countries. If they implement a few features.

viraptor 4y ago
What do you mean by kill WhatsApp? This wouldn't make iMessage available to everyone. It would just enforce iMessage users being able to talk with others. Which, if Apple actually implemented it in non-malicious way, would let people who use an iPhone mostly because of iMessage migrate away.
gloryjulio 4y ago
Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'
- perceptronas 4y ago
  Instead of ugly green bubble, android users will be shown as ugly yellow bubbles, reminding everyone of urine
  - gloryjulio 4y ago
    As a multiphone holder(from the work), it's interesting to observe ppl to have such a sense of superiority of some msg apps
    - perceptronas 4y ago
      Its a joke that people here seem not to get because I did not add /s at the end. Obviously there is no superiority, but its pretty clear that green bubble design makes it unpleasant to look at [1] [1] - https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-gross-e03b52b12fed https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-...
- teekert 4y ago
  I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
  - izacus 4y ago
    Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
    - teekert 4y ago
      Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy. Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting. I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Some geeks on Element.io. [0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+whatsapp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.nieuws.nl%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2F305%2F2015%2F12%2F05153708%2Fattentie-whatsapp-buurtpreventie.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+wha...
      - deaddodo 4y ago
        I don't understand what this sign is supposed to mean, can you give some deeper context?
        imp0cat 4y ago
        Neighborhood watch using Whatsapp.
        deaddodo 4y ago
        Yes, I can also Google translate. That wasn’t the question. The question was: “What does that mean? And why is it particularly nefarious/concerning?” If I said “Neighborhood watch at /r/MyNeighborNameWatchDiscussion on reddit”, is that concerning too?
- snehk 4y ago
  This isn't at all aimed at Apple, it's aimed at Facebook. Apple already has SMS messaging integrated, it just has a green bubble and there's nothing in the proposal that would force Apple to change anything about how the messages are presented.
- techpression 4y ago
  There's nothing in the regulation saying Apple has to make everything look the same, they're free to put whatever color they want on third party integrations.
- deleted 4y ago
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paganel 4y ago
They probably won't, and even if they did, I won't hold my breath. As it is the difference between sending photos via iMessage vs sending photos via WhatsApp is like night and day. I don't know how Apple managed to f. that up but if I have to send more than 2-3 photos the app asks me to do horizontal scrolling, which is not optimal, to say the least. Plus the very process of sending and receiving the photos themselves seems very clunky in comparison.
Kipters 4y ago
I don't see how they could, iMessage is severely lacking in features compared to WhatsApp and users don't like change, iMessage doesn't need to have feature parity but it has to be massively better - and so far it's not
- EduardoBautista 4y ago
  Severely lacking? You can build basic app functionality into iMessage, something you can't do with WhatsApp. The desktop app for iMessage is simple, but efficient and gets the job done. The WhatsApp desktop app is slow by comparison. WhatsApp has the user numbers, but it has never been the best when it comes to functionality.
  - petodo 4y ago
    you don't need whatsapp desktop app, just go to web.whatsapp.com in browser, why would anyone bother with app (which can't be even installed on work computers)
    - prepend 4y ago
      I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same. Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps. And I can install it on my work computer
      - petodo 4y ago
        Not sure how it can be easier to use than already supereasy web app, notifications work same via browser and you don't need to install anything, these are really no arguments for desktop app. If you would say desktop app can do voice/video calls which you actually use (I don't, not gonna open laptop with closed lid and external display for that) I can understand using the desktop app, but for someone who doesn't need voice/video calls on computer and is fine with better camera in phone there is no benefit in installing additional dedicated app.
realusername 4y ago
I don't think that will be enough, yeah sure compatibility with Android will help imessage but they will also need some big marketing change, right now it's marketed as an SMS app and SMS is pretty much a dead platform in the EU

viraptor 4y ago

What do you mean by kill WhatsApp? This wouldn't make iMessage available to everyone. It would just enforce iMessage users being able to talk with others. Which, if Apple actually implemented it in non-malicious way, would let people who use an iPhone mostly because of iMessage migrate away.

gloryjulio 4y ago

Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'

perceptronas 4y ago
Instead of ugly green bubble, android users will be shown as ugly yellow bubbles, reminding everyone of urine
- gloryjulio 4y ago
  As a multiphone holder(from the work), it's interesting to observe ppl to have such a sense of superiority of some msg apps
  - perceptronas 4y ago
    Its a joke that people here seem not to get because I did not add /s at the end. Obviously there is no superiority, but its pretty clear that green bubble design makes it unpleasant to look at [1] [1] - https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-gross-e03b52b12fed https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-...
teekert 4y ago
I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
- izacus 4y ago
  Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
  - teekert 4y ago
    Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy. Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting. I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Some geeks on Element.io. [0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+whatsapp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.nieuws.nl%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2F305%2F2015%2F12%2F05153708%2Fattentie-whatsapp-buurtpreventie.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+wha...
    - deaddodo 4y ago
      I don't understand what this sign is supposed to mean, can you give some deeper context?
      - imp0cat 4y ago
        Neighborhood watch using Whatsapp.
        deaddodo 4y ago
        Yes, I can also Google translate. That wasn’t the question. The question was: “What does that mean? And why is it particularly nefarious/concerning?” If I said “Neighborhood watch at /r/MyNeighborNameWatchDiscussion on reddit”, is that concerning too?
snehk 4y ago
This isn't at all aimed at Apple, it's aimed at Facebook. Apple already has SMS messaging integrated, it just has a green bubble and there's nothing in the proposal that would force Apple to change anything about how the messages are presented.
techpression 4y ago
There's nothing in the regulation saying Apple has to make everything look the same, they're free to put whatever color they want on third party integrations.
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paganel 4y ago

They probably won't, and even if they did, I won't hold my breath. As it is the difference between sending photos via iMessage vs sending photos via WhatsApp is like night and day. I don't know how Apple managed to f. that up but if I have to send more than 2-3 photos the app asks me to do horizontal scrolling, which is not optimal, to say the least. Plus the very process of sending and receiving the photos themselves seems very clunky in comparison.

Kipters 4y ago

I don't see how they could, iMessage is severely lacking in features compared to WhatsApp and users don't like change, iMessage doesn't need to have feature parity but it has to be massively better - and so far it's not

EduardoBautista 4y ago
Severely lacking? You can build basic app functionality into iMessage, something you can't do with WhatsApp. The desktop app for iMessage is simple, but efficient and gets the job done. The WhatsApp desktop app is slow by comparison. WhatsApp has the user numbers, but it has never been the best when it comes to functionality.
- petodo 4y ago
  you don't need whatsapp desktop app, just go to web.whatsapp.com in browser, why would anyone bother with app (which can't be even installed on work computers)
  - prepend 4y ago
    I like the desktop app better as it’s integrated better and thus easier to use. I have notifications set up for many different apps not just messages so I want them all to function the same. Also, I just think native apps still perform better than web apps. And I can install it on my work computer
    - petodo 4y ago
      Not sure how it can be easier to use than already supereasy web app, notifications work same via browser and you don't need to install anything, these are really no arguments for desktop app. If you would say desktop app can do voice/video calls which you actually use (I don't, not gonna open laptop with closed lid and external display for that) I can understand using the desktop app, but for someone who doesn't need voice/video calls on computer and is fine with better camera in phone there is no benefit in installing additional dedicated app.

realusername 4y ago

I don't think that will be enough, yeah sure compatibility with Android will help imessage but they will also need some big marketing change, right now it's marketed as an SMS app and SMS is pretty much a dead platform in the EU