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That's a pure AWS choice (you can use them only as real core) as is the fact that AWS has decided to provide large discounts for their graviton instance as a wa
by mahkeiro 4y ago
That's a pure AWS choice (you can use them only as real core) as is the fact that AWS has decided to provide large discounts for their graviton instance as a way to limit portability to other clouds.
- otterley 4y agoAll major cloud providers have arm64-based instances available now.
- re-thc 4y agoGraviton 3 is currently way ahead of the other offerings. The others are closer to Graviton 2.
- StillBored 4y agoNo, its a generation behind the YT710 instances at alibaba, which are now in preview even in the US. https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/ecs/g8m https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/ecs/g8m "As the first instance family that uses ARM v9 architecture CPUs," and "Arm-based Alibaba Cloud T-Head Yitian 710 Crushes SPECrate2017_int_base" https://www.servethehome.com/arm-based-alibaba-cloud-t-head-yitian-710-crushes-specrate2017_int_base/ https://www.servethehome.com/arm-based-alibaba-cloud-t-head-... The gravaton3's are V1's (ARM v8.4), so yes AWS is ahead of the companies using the N1 cores from ampere. But, its a bit of a US centric view.
- otterley 4y agoIt doesn't appear to be in preview in the USA yet. It appears only to be available in the Hangzhou-I zone, and you can only obtain access to a single instance.
- oblio 4y ago> AWS has decided to provide large discounts for their graviton instance as a way to limit portability to other clouds. It this a negative aspect?
- vb-8448 4y agoAbsolutely yes.
- oblio 4y agoSo they're evil because they're offering things at low prices?
- zokier 4y agoAre you familiar with the concept of predatory pricing?
- oblio 4y agoYes, and dumping. However, you're making a bold assumption there. You don't know their cost structure. Their CPU time could literally be just that cheap for Graviton.
- Kon-Peki 4y agoWe know enough about Apple Silicon to know that high-performance ARM chips aren’t cheap to manufacture. Until AWS breaks out their margins between X86 and ARM (not going to happen) or total AWS margins start to go down, we don’t really publicly know if they are “dumping” or if they are just passing on the savings to the consumer. I’d bet that it’s a little of both
- oblio 4y agoIt could go a third way, where they use them internally, too, and they're cheaper to operate. So a certain percentage of the costs could be amortized through internal usage. Edit: > We know enough about Apple Silicon to know that high-performance ARM chips aren’t cheap to manufacture. Oh, and for this :-) We do know that Apple's per unit costs must be cheap, since the iPhone SE 2022 retails at $429 for an entire phone, and it comes with A15, which is quite competitive with Android flagship chipsets from 2023. Since they can squeeze in an entire phone + profits in $429, the chipset itself can't be that expensive. Yes, R&D is probably very expensive but they can spread that around to millions of units, just like Amazon :-) Of course, Apple could also be dumping chipsets, in which case, I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- prmoustache 4y agoHow does that limit portability? If you have been able to convert your deployment from x64 to aarch64, you can do the same in the other direction, or choose another cloud provider that provides aarch64 stuff. It is really easy to build container images in multiple architectures nowadays.