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This explanation needs to be worded a bit more carefully because it sounds like you complain about "all that rights that women got are destroying the society" a

by mrtksn 4y ago

This explanation needs to be worded a bit more carefully because it sounds like you complain about "all that rights that women got are destroying the society" and that's pretty offensive. IMHO this is a more general problem of people making less kids as they get wealthier. It's a well known trend, the number of kids fall as the countries climb out of poverty. I'm sure there are plenty of studies about it and proposed solutions but the world's population is doing just fine and I don't think that we should walk away from having a life in order to have "more children from our kind". This is a theme in the "white genocide" circles and I don't believe that we should force women into being baby factories, instead we should create an equal world and embrace the high number of babies born in some places. Eventually everything will stabilize and the population pyramid will get into a healthy shape. Obviously, as the boomer generation climbs to the top of the pyramid we will have a period of distress. I'm sorry to offend armchair babyboomers but no, giving up rights and life to increase population and race share is something that no one is obligated to participate. If you feel like that, do it yourself.

shrimp_emoji 4y ago
The solution is not to regress into some Handmaid's Tale etholudditism. Nor must we resign ourselves to demographic collapse. Technology got us into this, but it can get us out. The solution seems inevitable, when you think about it. People should be born in pods, in facilities run by the state. The population level will be directly controlled to whatever's desirable. At that level of biological mastery, many things become possible. People can be sexless, to eliminate whole hosts of problems we deal with today related to sex (like reproductive organ cancer risk, which is significant). People can mature faster. They can be raised in large creche-barracks, also run by the state, instead of having parents who can abuse or neglect them. The zygotes can be genetically curated and be edited free of malformations and made stronger, faster, smarter (think Gattaca). Once they reach adulthood, they'll work to pay off their generation debt through taxes as productive citizens. We will have more keenly harnessed the power of our biological inheritance, like hunter gatherers practicing agriculture instead of leaving our future to chance and animal whim. In the meantime, we just need to make the best of things. But, if we make it to pod clones, all of these problems will be distant memories, like death by gum disease.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  This is a theme of some prime dystopian literature but yes, it can be a solution if you are into "more from my kind" ideology. But this will have hard time competing with religious sects where they will be pushing to turn men and women into breeders. This is already very popular, that's where the ani women's rights and anti LGBT stuff is coming from. There also would be ideologues who will advocate for reduction of the numbers of others if we can't increase ours. The "more from my kind" ideology comes with its horrors. I don't like it.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >This is a theme of some prime dystopian literature but yes, it can be a solution if you are into "more from my kind" ideology. The OP suggested making all these new humans genetically engineered to be sexless, so I'm not sure how you got the idea he wants "more from my kind" (GE sexless humans don't exist now); he's obviously talking about making a new race of humans that's genetically engineered to be quite different from modern-day humans, not just with a few improved traits, but some radical differences. As for religious sects, they're not that numerous today, so unless this Brave New World of state-controlled breeding creates a LOT of new converts, those savages could easily be isolated into their own open-air prison in Oklahoma where everyone else can visit them on tourist packages.
riffraff 4y ago
I'm sorry if it sounded like that, it was not what I intended at all. I mentioned women only in a sub-sentence in a single line, I did not expect it to become the focus of the message: everyone has more options these days, the betterment of women's position in society is more glaring, but changes in the same direction applied to everyone. I have no doubt humankind will be just fine with less people, and without any drastic drops in our quality of life. There may be some economical issues in the medium term, but I'm sure we'll manage without baby factories.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  My apologies if I came up a bit harsh, I know what you mean it's just that I recognized a talking point in some circles and wanted to point it put.

by mrtksn 4y ago

shrimp_emoji 4y ago

The solution is not to regress into some Handmaid's Tale etholudditism. Nor must we resign ourselves to demographic collapse. Technology got us into this, but it can get us out. The solution seems inevitable, when you think about it. People should be born in pods, in facilities run by the state. The population level will be directly controlled to whatever's desirable. At that level of biological mastery, many things become possible. People can be sexless, to eliminate whole hosts of problems we deal with today related to sex (like reproductive organ cancer risk, which is significant). People can mature faster. They can be raised in large creche-barracks, also run by the state, instead of having parents who can abuse or neglect them. The zygotes can be genetically curated and be edited free of malformations and made stronger, faster, smarter (think Gattaca). Once they reach adulthood, they'll work to pay off their generation debt through taxes as productive citizens. We will have more keenly harnessed the power of our biological inheritance, like hunter gatherers practicing agriculture instead of leaving our future to chance and animal whim. In the meantime, we just need to make the best of things. But, if we make it to pod clones, all of these problems will be distant memories, like death by gum disease.

mrtksn 4y ago
This is a theme of some prime dystopian literature but yes, it can be a solution if you are into "more from my kind" ideology. But this will have hard time competing with religious sects where they will be pushing to turn men and women into breeders. This is already very popular, that's where the ani women's rights and anti LGBT stuff is coming from. There also would be ideologues who will advocate for reduction of the numbers of others if we can't increase ours. The "more from my kind" ideology comes with its horrors. I don't like it.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >This is a theme of some prime dystopian literature but yes, it can be a solution if you are into "more from my kind" ideology. The OP suggested making all these new humans genetically engineered to be sexless, so I'm not sure how you got the idea he wants "more from my kind" (GE sexless humans don't exist now); he's obviously talking about making a new race of humans that's genetically engineered to be quite different from modern-day humans, not just with a few improved traits, but some radical differences. As for religious sects, they're not that numerous today, so unless this Brave New World of state-controlled breeding creates a LOT of new converts, those savages could easily be isolated into their own open-air prison in Oklahoma where everyone else can visit them on tourist packages.

riffraff 4y ago

I'm sorry if it sounded like that, it was not what I intended at all. I mentioned women only in a sub-sentence in a single line, I did not expect it to become the focus of the message: everyone has more options these days, the betterment of women's position in society is more glaring, but changes in the same direction applied to everyone. I have no doubt humankind will be just fine with less people, and without any drastic drops in our quality of life. There may be some economical issues in the medium term, but I'm sure we'll manage without baby factories.

mrtksn 4y ago
My apologies if I came up a bit harsh, I know what you mean it's just that I recognized a talking point in some circles and wanted to point it put.