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I don't tip, ever. I've never done it in my entire life. I'm not legally obligated to. What are they going to do, arrest me? If they actually need the money, I'

by usui 4y ago

I don't tip, ever. I've never done it in my entire life. I'm not legally obligated to. What are they going to do, arrest me? If they actually need the money, I'm sure they can bake it into the price of the product or service they sell me. I'm used to it, coming from a non-tipping culture. It works perfectly fine overseas. Overall what I noticed is that tipping is a sub-strategy among others in the American shopping experience where companies try as long as possible to hide the total price charged to a customer. You can see it everywhere from various fees, taxations, and tipping. I am shocked that it is so difficult to know the final cost of things until the very last second. Tipping is just one strategy in the toolkit, but tech companies are deploying it everywhere now, it's hard to escape.

Bilal_io 4y ago
It's tricky in some situations. Delivery drivers cannot see whether they got a tip or not, so they can't choose whether to serve you or decline, and they end up working for close to nothing. But of course, I blame the food delivery brokers.
- dcow 4y ago
  > I blame the food delivery brokers. As you should. It's illegal to pay below minimum wage. If they don't get tipped enough to make minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference. Of course minimum wage needs to be increased but that's another topic.
- nanidin 4y ago
  > Delivery drivers cannot see whether they got a tip or not, so they can't choose whether to serve you or decline This is not true for DoorDash - they can see the tip amount before accepting the order. I think that such a "tip" should not be treated as a tip for tax passthrough purposes - it's a bid for service.
ravi-delia 4y ago
"They" are two rather different groups of people- the people who get tipped, and the people that can "bake it into the price of the product"
- petodo 4y ago
  People in the first group can decide to not work for the people in the second group, if they don't like the setup. It's in the best interest of both groups to reach compromise, so people in first group can earn money and people in second group can make money.
- usui 4y ago
  This is a moral dilemma that was invented and forced upon Americans by the latter group. If they invented it, they can fix it. I refuse to play along with a financially ambiguous savior complex that American consumerism features. The entire dining and commerce experience in Japan is leagues upon leagues better than in the States. At least there I don't feel like I'm being financially coerced, and the transaction becomes clear and simple for all parties involved. This is why I rarely go to restaurants whenever I'm in the States now.
  - selectodude 4y ago
    >This is why I rarely go to restaurants whenever I'm in the States now. Please lower that number to zero if you refuse to tip.
    - usui 4y ago
      No I won't, I will continue to go outside. Legally there is nothing the service renderer can do to me. I don't care how they think of me as a result. I've never been refused service before. They give me a total price, I pay it without issue, and that's how it goes.
      - selectodude 4y ago
        That's fine. Legally nothing will happen to you. Morally, I've never met you and I think you're a bad person.
        dcow 4y ago
        What's the moral dilemma here? Who's being harmed? And who is responsible?

by usui 4y ago

Bilal_io 4y ago

It's tricky in some situations. Delivery drivers cannot see whether they got a tip or not, so they can't choose whether to serve you or decline, and they end up working for close to nothing. But of course, I blame the food delivery brokers.

dcow 4y ago
> I blame the food delivery brokers. As you should. It's illegal to pay below minimum wage. If they don't get tipped enough to make minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference. Of course minimum wage needs to be increased but that's another topic.
nanidin 4y ago
> Delivery drivers cannot see whether they got a tip or not, so they can't choose whether to serve you or decline This is not true for DoorDash - they can see the tip amount before accepting the order. I think that such a "tip" should not be treated as a tip for tax passthrough purposes - it's a bid for service.

ravi-delia 4y ago

"They" are two rather different groups of people- the people who get tipped, and the people that can "bake it into the price of the product"

petodo 4y ago
People in the first group can decide to not work for the people in the second group, if they don't like the setup. It's in the best interest of both groups to reach compromise, so people in first group can earn money and people in second group can make money.
usui 4y ago
This is a moral dilemma that was invented and forced upon Americans by the latter group. If they invented it, they can fix it. I refuse to play along with a financially ambiguous savior complex that American consumerism features. The entire dining and commerce experience in Japan is leagues upon leagues better than in the States. At least there I don't feel like I'm being financially coerced, and the transaction becomes clear and simple for all parties involved. This is why I rarely go to restaurants whenever I'm in the States now.
- selectodude 4y ago
  >This is why I rarely go to restaurants whenever I'm in the States now. Please lower that number to zero if you refuse to tip.
  - usui 4y ago
    No I won't, I will continue to go outside. Legally there is nothing the service renderer can do to me. I don't care how they think of me as a result. I've never been refused service before. They give me a total price, I pay it without issue, and that's how it goes.
    - selectodude 4y ago
      That's fine. Legally nothing will happen to you. Morally, I've never met you and I think you're a bad person.
      - dcow 4y ago
        What's the moral dilemma here? Who's being harmed? And who is responsible?