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Reading farther in the article: It also remains unclear where the vehicles and charging stations will be placed, as those details have yet to be finalize

by IncRnd 4y ago

Reading farther in the article: It also remains unclear where the vehicles and charging stations will be placed, as those details have yet to be finalized, the agency said. So, to answer the GP's question, "Where are they going to charge them once a post office has a few?" Nobody knows.

ceejayoz 4y ago
They're provisioning more chargers than vehicles. The answer seems fairly clear. For now, if you get three EVs at your local post office, I'd expect roughly three chargers installed.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Would you mind quoting the source for that? The article says something else.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    You want a source for "I'd expect"? MLA style? Me. 1 Mar. 2023. Hacker News, comment #34991363.
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      No, for the part where you made an assertion of fact. "I'd expect" is your opinion, and you're entitled to that of course. I was asking you to quote where you got the source for "provisioning more chargers than vechicles." > They're provisioning more chargers than vehicles.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        It's literally the first paragraph in the article. Scroll up, I quoted it in my original comment too. > The U.S. Postal Service's plans for a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles are getting closer to being realized. The service awarded contracts on Tuesday for 9,250 battery electric vehicles and for more than 14,000 charging stations.
        IncRnd 4y ago
        If you read more of the article, you will see additional numbers. As such, a contract has also been awarded for the agency to acquire 9,250 commercial-off-the-shelf internal combustion engine vehicles "to fill the urgent need for vehicles." In December, the agency said that 21,000 COTS vehicles will be purchased and are "expected to be battery electric," but said that depends "on market availability and operational feasibility."
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        "They plan to buy more EVs" can (again, I expect) probably be safely read to include "and the requisite infrastructure to accompany them" eventually.
        IncRnd 4y ago
        The question was , "Where are they going to charge them once a post office has a few?" So, I'm not sure why you are trying to correct my factual quotes to answer that question by posting your expectations as to the future hypothetical existence of chargers.
        nonethewiser 4y ago
        This argument is pointless
waboremo 4y ago
Logically, most of the chargers will be at post offices to accommodate the fleet. Completely negating the question asked. Outside of the post offices, where will USPS set up additional chargers? That is the unknown right now, if they actually do set up any outside of post offices. There is significant doubt they would set up chargers outside of post offices, considering they acquired 14k charging stations and have 30k+ offices in service.
s0sa 4y ago
Perhaps, like with most complex problems, there isn’t a “one size fits all” solution. I’m all for skepticism but this criticism is just lazy.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  It's incredibly lazy to say my criticism was "just lazy" since I didn't post criticism but answered a question about the contents of the article.
  - s0sa 4y ago
    No, you made an irrelevant and dismissive remark under the “guise” of an answer. Lazy.
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      No, the existence and locations of these chargers is not set. They may not even get purchased. The current planned rollout is for 75 locations. The absolute truth to "where these will get placed" is nobody yet knows. Nobody knows where, because nobody knows where the vehicles will get placed.
kube-system 4y ago
Many post offices have parking lots where the vehicles park overnight currently. Mail carriers don't take these vehicles home, they typically park on USPS property overnight. I suspect this is the top candidate location for many of these chargers. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/usps-mail-delivery-trucks-logo-edison-nj-usa-line-logos-53174056.jpg https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/usps-mail-delivery-trucks-lo...
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Statements like that don't really answer the question. Other reporting on this has said that 75 locations are currently getting build-outs for charging stations. [1] The actual question is where these will be built. Answering "the parking lot" isn't actually helpful to "where". [1] https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3879040-usps-to-purchase-9000-electric-vehicles-install-14000-charging-stations/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3879040-usps-t...
  - kelnos 4y ago
    Er, what? "The parking lot" is a perfectly good and reasonable answer to that question.
    - Larrikin 4y ago
      Their post history suggests they are pedantic just to be pedantic.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Yes, they are not being built yet. Where else do you think they would go?
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      You are making too many assumptions about the arrival of chargers and BEV in the first place. When looking where the chargers will go, the issue is that the cars aren't necessarily going to be purchased and delivered, either. So, it isn't clear where the chargers will go, if anywhere. Today, there is a small rollout of chargers planned, but that isn't enough to say that many post offices will have chargers. For those reasons, "the parking lot" isn't a feasible answer compared to specifying which post offices or other information. And, the USPS has said they don't know where the chargers will go, possibly a location centralized between several post offices. After all the question was asked by that poster, so it's best to presume that actual information was desired not flippant answers like are in this thread. Many post offices have full lots today, so purchasing more vehicles and retiring some will surely mean there will be even less room for chargers in the parking lot.

by IncRnd 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago

They're provisioning more chargers than vehicles. The answer seems fairly clear. For now, if you get three EVs at your local post office, I'd expect roughly three chargers installed.

IncRnd 4y ago
Would you mind quoting the source for that? The article says something else.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  You want a source for "I'd expect"? MLA style? Me. 1 Mar. 2023. Hacker News, comment #34991363.
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    No, for the part where you made an assertion of fact. "I'd expect" is your opinion, and you're entitled to that of course. I was asking you to quote where you got the source for "provisioning more chargers than vechicles." > They're provisioning more chargers than vehicles.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      It's literally the first paragraph in the article. Scroll up, I quoted it in my original comment too. > The U.S. Postal Service's plans for a nationwide fleet of electric vehicles are getting closer to being realized. The service awarded contracts on Tuesday for 9,250 battery electric vehicles and for more than 14,000 charging stations.
      - IncRnd 4y ago
        If you read more of the article, you will see additional numbers. As such, a contract has also been awarded for the agency to acquire 9,250 commercial-off-the-shelf internal combustion engine vehicles "to fill the urgent need for vehicles." In December, the agency said that 21,000 COTS vehicles will be purchased and are "expected to be battery electric," but said that depends "on market availability and operational feasibility."
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        "They plan to buy more EVs" can (again, I expect) probably be safely read to include "and the requisite infrastructure to accompany them" eventually.
        IncRnd 4y ago
        The question was , "Where are they going to charge them once a post office has a few?" So, I'm not sure why you are trying to correct my factual quotes to answer that question by posting your expectations as to the future hypothetical existence of chargers.
        nonethewiser 4y ago
        This argument is pointless

waboremo 4y ago

Logically, most of the chargers will be at post offices to accommodate the fleet. Completely negating the question asked. Outside of the post offices, where will USPS set up additional chargers? That is the unknown right now, if they actually do set up any outside of post offices. There is significant doubt they would set up chargers outside of post offices, considering they acquired 14k charging stations and have 30k+ offices in service.

s0sa 4y ago

Perhaps, like with most complex problems, there isn’t a “one size fits all” solution. I’m all for skepticism but this criticism is just lazy.

IncRnd 4y ago
It's incredibly lazy to say my criticism was "just lazy" since I didn't post criticism but answered a question about the contents of the article.
- s0sa 4y ago
  No, you made an irrelevant and dismissive remark under the “guise” of an answer. Lazy.
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    No, the existence and locations of these chargers is not set. They may not even get purchased. The current planned rollout is for 75 locations. The absolute truth to "where these will get placed" is nobody yet knows. Nobody knows where, because nobody knows where the vehicles will get placed.

kube-system 4y ago

Many post offices have parking lots where the vehicles park overnight currently. Mail carriers don't take these vehicles home, they typically park on USPS property overnight. I suspect this is the top candidate location for many of these chargers. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/usps-mail-delivery-trucks-logo-edison-nj-usa-line-logos-53174056.jpg https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/usps-mail-delivery-trucks-lo...

IncRnd 4y ago
Statements like that don't really answer the question. Other reporting on this has said that 75 locations are currently getting build-outs for charging stations. [1] The actual question is where these will be built. Answering "the parking lot" isn't actually helpful to "where". [1] https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3879040-usps-to-purchase-9000-electric-vehicles-install-14000-charging-stations/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3879040-usps-t...
- kelnos 4y ago
  Er, what? "The parking lot" is a perfectly good and reasonable answer to that question.
  - Larrikin 4y ago
    Their post history suggests they are pedantic just to be pedantic.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Yes, they are not being built yet. Where else do you think they would go?
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    You are making too many assumptions about the arrival of chargers and BEV in the first place. When looking where the chargers will go, the issue is that the cars aren't necessarily going to be purchased and delivered, either. So, it isn't clear where the chargers will go, if anywhere. Today, there is a small rollout of chargers planned, but that isn't enough to say that many post offices will have chargers. For those reasons, "the parking lot" isn't a feasible answer compared to specifying which post offices or other information. And, the USPS has said they don't know where the chargers will go, possibly a location centralized between several post offices. After all the question was asked by that poster, so it's best to presume that actual information was desired not flippant answers like are in this thread. Many post offices have full lots today, so purchasing more vehicles and retiring some will surely mean there will be even less room for chargers in the parking lot.