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Living in and operating out of Germany must make this stance easier for Tutao GmbH. What options are available to organisations in the UK?

by pattyj 4y ago

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jjgreen 4y ago
Defy the law and do the time. Or give up.
johnbaker92 4y ago
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dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
None unless you want to: 1. Get sued 2. Get a court order to backdoor your encryption 3. Get your doors bashed in by police for non compliance, everything seized, and a criminal case coming your way It's not like one company can fight its own government.
- eptcyka 4y ago
  You get sued - so what? The most they can risk is the ability to have a UK based payment processor bail on them - they can still have customers in the UK, but they'd have to pay via a VPN.
  - Shish2k 4y ago
    > You get sued - so what? Would I be right in assuming that you’ve never been on the receiving end of a government-scale lawsuit?
    - eptcyka 4y ago
      The UK can only ask Germany to 'do something about it'. Courts apply to entities over which they have jurisdiction. UK isn't even in the EU anymore, they have no power over a German mail company.
      - varispeed 4y ago
        It can have reach similar to GDPR, when if German company serves UK customers, they will have to comply.
        supermatt 4y ago
        The UK has no jurisdiction in Germany - they are separate sovereign states. It would be up to the UK to prevent them serving UK customers, because - as long as their own government dont interfere - they could just ignore any demands. This is just as true for the GDPR.
      - danaris 4y ago
        The OP of the thread specifically asked what options are available to organizations in the UK. If you're operating in the UK, your operations there must, naturally, be subject to UK law.
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    I think you misunderstand, I was talking about a UK based company. If the Companies House decides to rescind your registration -- you are no longer a company. That is what you risk. You don't actually need a real address in the UK to open a company there, an address at one of those virtual offices is enough, so you could conceivably avoid the criminal case (if you live in a country that won't extradite you!). What you couldn't avoid is the UK telling you that you are no longer allowed to be a UK registered company, which is obviously within their rights to do.
    - eptcyka 4y ago
      That's fair.
AndyMcConachie 4y ago
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kevincox 4y ago
Move your organization to another jurisdiction? I don't see any other option if what service you want to provide is illegal where you are based.
glerk 4y ago
Move. Is there any advantage to run a business or live in the UK?
- jonathantf2 4y ago
  Not nearly that easy since we left the EU

Living in and operating out of Germany must make this stance easier for Tutao GmbH. What options are available to organisations in the UK?

by pattyj 4y ago

Living in and operating out of Germany must make this stance easier for Tutao GmbH. What options are available to organisations in the UK?

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jjgreen 4y ago

Defy the law and do the time. Or give up.

johnbaker92 4y ago

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dj_mc_merlin 4y ago

None unless you want to: 1. Get sued 2. Get a court order to backdoor your encryption 3. Get your doors bashed in by police for non compliance, everything seized, and a criminal case coming your way It's not like one company can fight its own government.

eptcyka 4y ago
You get sued - so what? The most they can risk is the ability to have a UK based payment processor bail on them - they can still have customers in the UK, but they'd have to pay via a VPN.
- Shish2k 4y ago
  > You get sued - so what? Would I be right in assuming that you’ve never been on the receiving end of a government-scale lawsuit?
  - eptcyka 4y ago
    The UK can only ask Germany to 'do something about it'. Courts apply to entities over which they have jurisdiction. UK isn't even in the EU anymore, they have no power over a German mail company.
    - varispeed 4y ago
      It can have reach similar to GDPR, when if German company serves UK customers, they will have to comply.
      - supermatt 4y ago
        The UK has no jurisdiction in Germany - they are separate sovereign states. It would be up to the UK to prevent them serving UK customers, because - as long as their own government dont interfere - they could just ignore any demands. This is just as true for the GDPR.
    - danaris 4y ago
      The OP of the thread specifically asked what options are available to organizations in the UK. If you're operating in the UK, your operations there must, naturally, be subject to UK law.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  I think you misunderstand, I was talking about a UK based company. If the Companies House decides to rescind your registration -- you are no longer a company. That is what you risk. You don't actually need a real address in the UK to open a company there, an address at one of those virtual offices is enough, so you could conceivably avoid the criminal case (if you live in a country that won't extradite you!). What you couldn't avoid is the UK telling you that you are no longer allowed to be a UK registered company, which is obviously within their rights to do.
  - eptcyka 4y ago
    That's fair.

AndyMcConachie 4y ago

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kevincox 4y ago

Move your organization to another jurisdiction? I don't see any other option if what service you want to provide is illegal where you are based.

glerk 4y ago

Move. Is there any advantage to run a business or live in the UK?

jonathantf2 4y ago
Not nearly that easy since we left the EU