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In my writing, I find world-building to be a very enjoyable activity and would not delegate it to a bot just because of that. I would also like to say that empl

by seu 4y ago

In my writing, I find world-building to be a very enjoyable activity and would not delegate it to a bot just because of that. I would also like to say that employing ChatGPT or similar tools for this task would make all worlds feel the same, but the sad truth is that most amateur and hobbyist writers' world-building feel kind of the same anyway. :(

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Yeah that's not wrong, I mean in theory GPT can (and probably already does) write these padded-out articles, listicles and recipes for content farms, but it's probably indistinguishable from the hordes of low-cost paid-per-word content writers hired through Fiver and the likes. I feel bad for being dismissive of their work, but... a lot of it is just low quality and predictable filler.
- pixl97 4y ago
  It would be interesting to see things like LLMs/voice models used in online games for NPCs. When interesting things are going on they have unique lines, but after the 100th time you've passed them and they ask you to come to cloud city you're ready to magic missile them in the face. You're not looking for anything inspiring, you're just trying to get away from the repetition.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    I don't think we'll witness this in the foreseeable future. GPU is already capped in gaming and CPU isn't isle enough for these calculations. We'd likely need consoles to pave the way with AI cores on their SOCs, then we might get new pcie AI cards and that's probably the first time the feature could be leveraged properly. Doing everything in the cloud would be prohibitively expensive and likely too slow, as 15 second would be just too long for a player to stand around waiting for an answer.
- rtontic 4y ago
  I mean, reading this article, seems like the author still had to put in a lot of work to get something decent. Kinda makes GPT not look like an all powerful content generator: it steels need a human to use it correctly.
ianbicking 4y ago
I agree, world building is enjoyable (and if it wasn't enjoyable it wouldn't be worth doing). I found doing it with this tool to also be enjoyable. Similarly I also really enjoy using Midjourney, even though I usually use it with no purpose in mind and no plan for where to use the results. They are both explorations, the AI pushes that exploration up just a bit to a more meta level, and can step in when I'm at a loss for what to do next.
runevault 4y ago
I'm not a fan of using ChatGPT for everything, but one interesting use case here would be to use it as inspiration. Have it generate a bunch of stuff and pick and choose what you want. Though the best way to do interesting worldbuilding IMO is look up a few cultures less represented in fiction (or at least parts of them that are less represented) and study their history to get ideas. I've been reading up on ancient Greece lately and getting a ton of ideas.
huevosabio 4y ago
I played a bit with little stories based on video game lores (Morrowind). I think I enjoyed the back and forth, the ability of me giving the rough sketches of the story and scene and then the bot filling in and adding some details. Then I could use those details to further the story. It's still not there, but mostly because ChatGPT is too terse and biased towards everything being OK. Nonetheless, it is a lot of fun to have a story-telling copilot.

by seu 4y ago

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Yeah that's not wrong, I mean in theory GPT can (and probably already does) write these padded-out articles, listicles and recipes for content farms, but it's probably indistinguishable from the hordes of low-cost paid-per-word content writers hired through Fiver and the likes. I feel bad for being dismissive of their work, but... a lot of it is just low quality and predictable filler.

pixl97 4y ago
It would be interesting to see things like LLMs/voice models used in online games for NPCs. When interesting things are going on they have unique lines, but after the 100th time you've passed them and they ask you to come to cloud city you're ready to magic missile them in the face. You're not looking for anything inspiring, you're just trying to get away from the repetition.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  I don't think we'll witness this in the foreseeable future. GPU is already capped in gaming and CPU isn't isle enough for these calculations. We'd likely need consoles to pave the way with AI cores on their SOCs, then we might get new pcie AI cards and that's probably the first time the feature could be leveraged properly. Doing everything in the cloud would be prohibitively expensive and likely too slow, as 15 second would be just too long for a player to stand around waiting for an answer.
rtontic 4y ago
I mean, reading this article, seems like the author still had to put in a lot of work to get something decent. Kinda makes GPT not look like an all powerful content generator: it steels need a human to use it correctly.

ianbicking 4y ago

I agree, world building is enjoyable (and if it wasn't enjoyable it wouldn't be worth doing). I found doing it with this tool to also be enjoyable. Similarly I also really enjoy using Midjourney, even though I usually use it with no purpose in mind and no plan for where to use the results. They are both explorations, the AI pushes that exploration up just a bit to a more meta level, and can step in when I'm at a loss for what to do next.

runevault 4y ago

I'm not a fan of using ChatGPT for everything, but one interesting use case here would be to use it as inspiration. Have it generate a bunch of stuff and pick and choose what you want. Though the best way to do interesting worldbuilding IMO is look up a few cultures less represented in fiction (or at least parts of them that are less represented) and study their history to get ideas. I've been reading up on ancient Greece lately and getting a ton of ideas.

huevosabio 4y ago

I played a bit with little stories based on video game lores (Morrowind). I think I enjoyed the back and forth, the ability of me giving the rough sketches of the story and scene and then the bot filling in and adding some details. Then I could use those details to further the story. It's still not there, but mostly because ChatGPT is too terse and biased towards everything being OK. Nonetheless, it is a lot of fun to have a story-telling copilot.