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We're creating a new top-level product group at Meta focused on generative AI
- krashidov 4y agoAs Steve Jobs said, you have to work backwards from the user experience and see how the technology fits. Let’s see if they actually do that or just build a gimmick
- yootyootr 4y agoI expect $4bn in and it still won't do legs
- twelve40 4y agoprobably should hire 10,000 more people, the AI race is heating up
- uoaei 4y agoI too love messing with the bot scrapers that decide stock trades.
- arlcode 4y agoDisclaimer: I noticed the tongue in cheek but wanted to comment anyway ;) The legs discussion is way overblown and happened only because the "Metaverse by Facebook" has nothing interesting going for it. If it did offer a product people wanted, floating avatars would be nothing more than a running joke that nobody would really care about. But as it turns out the desire of the FB C-suite to own a software platform is not a particularly good selling point and here we are.
- justsocrateasin 4y ago> A running joke On purpose??
- MengerSponge 4y agohttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=has%20legs https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=has%20legs $4bn and it doesn't have any legs.
- jstx1 4y ago> Over the longer term, we'll focus on developing AI personas that can help people in a variety of ways. It's easy to imagine a future in which Facebook have a paid monthly subscription to a friend, partner, therapist etc. > with video and multi-modal experiences And of course they'll try to slap some VR on top of it.
- twelve40 4y ago> subscription to a friend, partner, therapist etc that might be pretty cool actually. I tried a couple of shrink bots pre-chatgpt, they weren't very good back then, but I think with enough effort it might be possible to get them to a mid-level human shrink in this latest iteration. FB owns tons of conversational data to train on, too!
- akomtu 4y agoVirtual friends as a service? This can trap billions in VR headsets.
- twelve40 4y agofriend(s) that's been specifically trained on you and your likes, no less
- arlcode 4y agoI don't think they are able to offer a product without renting out consumers to advertisers. To exaggerate a little, I expect them to develop something like the Truman show where everything is sponsored and all "characters" try to sell you all the time.
- HybridCurve 4y agoOr a diplomat: https://ai.facebook.com/research/cicero/diplomacy/ https://ai.facebook.com/research/cicero/diplomacy/
- wongarsu 4y ago> In the short term, we'll focus on building creative and expressive tools. Over the longer term, we'll focus on developing AI personas that can help people in a variety of ways. We're exploring experiences with text (like chat in WhatsApp and Messenger), with images (like creative Instagram filters and ad formats), and with video and multi-modal experiences. I guess that makes sense. It works great with their metaverse vision (and might give it the USP it desperately needs), while bringing short-term benefits as well. I wonder what they mean by text in WhatsApp though? A chatbot for companies to paritally automate all the business that now happens over WhatsApp, or a text-mode Alexa, kind of like XiaoBing (which far predates the current GPT craze, but is now much cheaper to create)?
- dharma1 4y agoInteresting to see the somewhat muted announcement from LeCun who has been (one might say, for good reasons) sceptical of “autoregressive LLMs” and the path to AGI requiring something quite different https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02zHwANqWrZLMimhq7U97i3xaHkMEHu8CLsa9TGRj1QeejwDxRFChxSK1zY6yPak5Kl&id=4 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02zHwANqWrZ...
- Der_Einzige 4y agoThe more he opens his mouth, the less I respect him. Yes I know he's the most cited scholar in NLP. It doesn't mean he isn't sometimes wrong.
- uoaei 4y agoIt still stuns me that so-called ML experts have turned into the "just add more layers" meme. I denounce LeCun for his political tirades and just generally bad takes, but this statement of his is a healthy skepticism.
- londons_explore 4y agoI have a free idea for Facebook... Let me fill my friends list with new AI friends who are like my actual friends, but cooler, kinder, and more helpful.
- tarkin2 4y agoThey can also introduce you to interesting news articles around the time of the next election too. This will probably be the most likely use of AI. And where the money will go. You'll no longer need an army of cheap labours in the third world to manipulate the online commons. Just a couple to get around capchas.
- dumbotron 4y ago> They can also introduce you to interesting news articles around the time of the next election too. I have family members who will do that anyway. Fox news even floated some interesting theories post-election.
- seydor 4y agothat's what he s talking about, no?
- corbulo 4y agoFacebook sees that and will raise you digital resurrection of your dead family members to tell you they think [product] is amazing and really works! and You support [political candidate]? They raised you to be better than that!
- O__________O 4y agoReminds me of Zuck announcing he planned to make a personal assistant back in 2016 to compete with Siri and Alexa: https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params=%7B%22note_id%22%3A775294156352065%7D&path=%2Fnotes%2Fnote%2F https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params=%7B%22note_id%22%3A...
- zmmmmm 4y agoHas Mark become distracted from his VR obsession by AI? It's so crazy but Mark's personal boredom or interest in either of these could swing the whole direction of computing one way or the other. I do think VR could be the ultimate application of generative AI - one of the biggest bottlenecks at the moment is how expensive and tedious it is to make the 3d content necessary to fill out expansive VR worlds. It could also be central to actually making viable things like codec avatars which currently are stupendously compute intensive but perhaps don't need to be if you can generate the output using AI instead of actually coding and decoding it at the other end.
- doomleika 4y agoWell with somewhat justified mockery for his metaverse vision. Meta's reality lab isn't doing too good. minus Quest/Quest2, the execution for XR is just really sloppy, even John Carmack can't stand the pace of Meta[1], fixes takes 6 month(!) to push through. Even if Zuck wanted, his team doesn't seem to be able to pull that off, be that of tech limitation or just too many value-extract in the team. It doesn't seem XR is the reality. at least from forseeable futures. [1]: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1626389610635923457 https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1626389610635923457
- seydor 4y agoI 'm glad i got the OQ2 at the initial price. It's a great product unrivaled for many years, i just hope they dont brick it. He's talking about text and possibly video here, not VR.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoWhile synthetic worlds are still tedious to create, “nanite” tech in Unreal Engine 5 makes it dead easy to recreate real-world environments within a virtual world. Heck, you can buy almost real forests and cities - enough to create a full-fledged game - for under $200
- justinclift 4y ago> Has Mark become distracted from his VR obsession by AI? Possibly more like "people in our VR spaces aren't finding many other people to engage with. Let's generate AI partners that are hard to tell from real people to make up for that."
- penjelly 4y agoSnapchat just added their own AI chatbot too. interesting to see major industry shifts over LLMs
- moremetadata 4y agoDid he even write this or did some marketing PR team do it for him? > Over the longer term, we'll focus on developing AI personas that can help people in a variety of ways. So Facebook are getting into the SockPuppet persona business, has the US military [1,2] and other 5eyes+X countries put out a tender for new sockpuppets, because the existing one's are getting too easily detected? Arent they causing enough trouble [3] psychologically manipulating people, causing Hurt, Embarrassment and Harm (HEH)? Anyway those bots are still making money for some![4] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-op... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/vkv8hu/aww_this_tik_tok_creator_with_a_million_followers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/vkv8hu/aww_th... [4] https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/reddit-revives-ipo-plans-go-public-lower-valuation-meme-stocks-2023-2 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/reddit-reviv...
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- andy_ppp 4y agoProbably ChatGPT can produce more human documents than Mr Zuckerberg.
- juujian 4y ago> in a variety of ways is what what people write when they cannot think of a concrete example, or when they cannot get my boss to sign off on something...
- moremetadata 4y agoIt might be the alternative uses test [1] aka the brick test. I had this at 1st year secondary school. Naturally I was top of the class on this exercise. [1] https://www.creativehuddle.co.uk/post/the-alternative-uses-test https://www.creativehuddle.co.uk/post/the-alternative-uses-t...
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- didntreadarticl 4y agoWe're starting by pulling together a lot of the teams working on generative AI across the company into one group "We will start by interrupting all of the initiatives currently in motion to introduce new layers of management and bureaucracy" Maybe it will pay off. Senior Management going to Senior Manage
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- atleastoptimal 4y agoFirst time on facebook in years and I'm astounded at how dated the UI feels.
- baobabKoodaa 4y agoYep, first .facebook.com link I opened in years and my default browser zoom setting for that domain appeared to be 200%, so I immediately noticed that all the icons and logos are raster graphics (instead of vector like they're supposed to) and the quality is extra crappy due to poor resolution / excessive compression. Amazing to think that this is the "F" in FAANG.
- rchaud 4y agoDesktop Facebook is hilariously bad. It's as if they assumed that anyone on a widescreen viewport must be on a tablet, and blew up every UI element to a size that they consider clickable on a 7" Fire Tablet. If you want to visit 2007-era Facebook, check out mbasic.facebook.com. It's the only way to access Facebook Messenger on mobile; the main mobile site redirects you to a download page for the Messenger app.
- tacker2000 4y agoSo it seems innovation is now completely non-existent at FB, and their new modus operandi is to throw shitloads of cash at any new fad that surfaces in the media and see what sticks. Thats tells you a lot about whats going on and what kind of people work inside there. They seem to be a dead man walking.
- reaperducer 4y agotheir new modus operandi is to throw shitloads of cash at any new fad that surfaces in the media Cryptocurrency. Voice assistants. VR. What else?
- siva7 4y agoYou have to think Big, not just in terms of single product areas like VR but how it fits all together in the Metaverse. Zuck is a genius in this regard
- qsort 4y agoI can't tell if this is parody or not, which admittedly makes the comment 10x better.
- baobabKoodaa 4y agoDid someone say AI on the blockchain... inside Metaverse?
- rchaud 4y agoLeveraging computer vision to transpose virtual dog ears on to your photos and videos? Seemed to work out for Snapchat, briefly.
- gbasin 4y agoWhen was that not the case? Only time I can think of is A/B testing facebook.com and maybe the transition to mobile feed?
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- tchaffee 4y agoOne of the reasons I almost never visit Facebook anymore is I don't trust them with my personal data. And even after being fined $5 billion - the largest privacy fine by far in history - they never come clean and admit any wrongdoing. I will stay far away from whatever Zuck accomplishes with generative AI. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/07/ftc-imposes-5-billion-penalty-sweeping-new-privacy-restrictions-facebook https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/07/...
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- 6stringmerc 4y agoI for one welcome the inevitable creative application of these AI "personas" and whatnot to be tuned for arguments and set against each other. A non-friendly, no-holds-barred debate. Full vocabulary and historical references allowed. Then we can put it textbooks for study on creating tools that can be way too easily weaponized in a sprawling environment like the Web in current form. My money is on Poe's Law before Godwin, but by narrow odds. What, y'all thought this would end well? Go re-watch T2 damn.
- cabalamat 4y agoFacebook building Shiri's Scissor for real? I'm sure that will end well. /s
- jjoonathan 4y agoFor those who, like me, forgot what "Shiri's Scissor" was about: it was the "programmer uses neural networks, discovers wedge issues" story.
- jnwatson 4y agoShire’s Scissors are hypothetical statements optimized for maximum controversy, so effective as to be a potential cyberweapon. https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/
- andy_ppp 4y agoI imagine investing in Nvidia and possibly a company like Google who make their own AI accelerators (TPUs is it?) is a good idea? Is there going to be enough fab space for the coming AI revolution? With Apple taking all of TSMC 3nm output are they planning their own Mac Pro with external GPUs and a possible move to the datacenter too? It’s certainly an interesting time to be alive…
- bushbaba 4y agoGoogle has low AI industry exposure. You’d be better off just investing directly in NVidia and AMD.
- gausswho 4y agoI am bemused that the approach here is to pull teams out of wherever they are closest to the products receiving these features and into their own top level. Zuckerberg enumerates what the objectives are (bots, assistants, image filters, etc.) but I would expect this change to open up gulfs in communication holding back shipping something of value. It'd be one thing if there was a single umbrella Facebook product, but Meta is going the opposite direction.
- zwieback 4y agoIt's interesting to see the comments on his post. A good percentage is just "very impressive". What's the point of that? Just hoping he'll see your name and say "good employee"?
- shidoshi 4y agoProductizing FAIR output, or is that too reductive?
- softwaredoug 4y agoI will say this may be starting to cargo cult a little bit. Do I think “generative AI” is huge - yes. But I also feel like people are starting to slap generative AI label on things somewhat motivated by silly reasons - marketing and pleasing investors who want to “keep up”. Or employees that want to work on something cool.
- dangerboysteve 4y agoWell, the stock is up 3.24% today, so mission accomplished.
- rvz 4y agoand is over 100% up since it went down to $88 three months ago and almost no-one here bought the stock. They only bought into the media fear and nonsense that Meta was going to $0.
- rchaud 4y agoI'll withold judgement until I see CIO.com's survey of CIOs on this matter.
- zengid 4y agoAnyone have a beat on what Yann LeCun's take on this is?
- outside1234 4y agoAt my FAAMG company, the new way to get funding for anything is to sprinkle some ChatGPT on it. Two years ago it was Kubernetes. Now it's ChatGPT. Just hilarious to watch execs fall for this stuff over and over again.
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- emocin 4y ago“Oh good” said no one, ever.
- CommanderData 4y agoWondering if all this AR/VR stuff eventually becomes like the Voice semi failures seen by Google and Amazon. Its more of an annoyance to have a voice assistant at odds with you trying to push advertisement and listening in on your conversations to sell to you better. Factor in that voice doesn't always get it right it becomes a nuisance.
- deadly_syn 4y agoEndgame for all of this, mark my words will be "immersive VR" Why play hogwarts legacy when you could go to meta hogwarts and actually talk to harry potter about your day? People think parasocial relationships are toxic to society now?!? HAH. Just wait till we start seeing headlines about people killing themselves over their favorite character (or worse ai wife/husband) getting digital dementia due to dataloss or being taken offline forever. It rings back to that movie HER the one where loads of people fell in love with the same AI model, except in that movie the model had agency and wasnt insidiously designed by a major social media/ads company to drive traffic and profits. I know my comments might come off as inflammatory, but I want to make a very clear point that I hardly have seen mentioned elsewhere. The problems that we see with the terminally online and other forms of unhealthy attachment to online personas will only be amplified as VR and AI get better.