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How's this? https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1018803983543078912 https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1018803983543078912 https://twitter.com/JasonMBr

by llimos 4y ago

How's this? https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1018803983543078912 https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1018803983543078912 https://twitter.com/JasonMBrodsky/status/1262782215756361730 https://twitter.com/JasonMBrodsky/status/1262782215756361730 The "final solution" when talking about Jews... hmmm, what could they possibly mean?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
That's garden-variety anti-Semitism. Not a credible threat by a head of state.
- llimos 4y ago
  "will witness the day when the fabricated Zionist regime will be eradicated", posted by the head of state of a country that is pursuing nuclear weapons. All I said in my original comment was that it's not an overreaction to at least consider the possibility that they might mean what they say. Is it so obvious to you that there's literally nothing to worry about?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > not an overreaction to at least consider the possibility that they might mean what they say 100%, and obviously Iran is an adversary of Israel's. But expressing hope that your adversary falls (and wishing ill on their people) and directly threatening them are distinct. Given the heat of this discussion, I think that's a fair delineation to make.
- Supermancho 4y ago
  > That's garden-variety anti-Semitism. Not sure how some originality changes the sentiment. I don't think it's relevant in the slightest. > Not a credible threat by a head of state. I don't think you have looked up what credible means. National leadership is credible. That's the nature of the role. Political posturing are tactics of leadership as well, but that doesn't make the sentiments less credible. Opportunity often changes a feint into an actual assault, in conflicts. I think we're talking about the fact that much of the Iranian leadership would press a button that made Israel magically disappear without additional consequence, if they could...following that, what would they be willing to sacrifice to do it? If you don't think there is any possibility that Iran would want Israel gone, that's fine. At least come out and say it.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > much of the Iranian leadership would press a button that made Israel magically disappear without additional consequence, if they could Much of every country's leadership would do this to their adversaries. That shows credible intent, not a credible threat.
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    - Supermancho 4y ago
      > That shows credible intent, not a credible threat. There is motive. There is opportunity. The lacking element is means. There are a large number of conditions (access to nuclear ordinace, among others) wherein means is achieved. Threat is not simply about what means exist now, but the conditions and consequences of change. The world conditions ensure it's a credible threat and countries take it seriously, despite your misgivings.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > lacking element is means Apparent capability is an important component of threat credibility under practically every military doctrine. The more fundamental question is: does this represent a policy stance or domestic messaging point? One can reasonably disagree on the answer. But the quotes I've been shown sound more like bluster than actual threats. For evidence of Iran's belligerence, these statements are relatively par for the course. (Their extraterritorial meddling makes a stronger pitch for credible intent and threat.)
- edanm 4y ago
  > By God’s grace, the Palestinian nation will certainly gain victory over the enemies and will witness the day when the fabricated Zionist regime will be eradicated. Is it not a credible threat because they don't have means? 'Cause I'm not sure what you might mean otherwise.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  What sort of antisemitism are you growing in your garden at home?
llimos 4y ago
and another one: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 (How on earth these are still up on Twitter is a separate discussion)

by llimos 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

That's garden-variety anti-Semitism. Not a credible threat by a head of state.

llimos 4y ago
"will witness the day when the fabricated Zionist regime will be eradicated", posted by the head of state of a country that is pursuing nuclear weapons. All I said in my original comment was that it's not an overreaction to at least consider the possibility that they might mean what they say. Is it so obvious to you that there's literally nothing to worry about?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > not an overreaction to at least consider the possibility that they might mean what they say 100%, and obviously Iran is an adversary of Israel's. But expressing hope that your adversary falls (and wishing ill on their people) and directly threatening them are distinct. Given the heat of this discussion, I think that's a fair delineation to make.
Supermancho 4y ago
> That's garden-variety anti-Semitism. Not sure how some originality changes the sentiment. I don't think it's relevant in the slightest. > Not a credible threat by a head of state. I don't think you have looked up what credible means. National leadership is credible. That's the nature of the role. Political posturing are tactics of leadership as well, but that doesn't make the sentiments less credible. Opportunity often changes a feint into an actual assault, in conflicts. I think we're talking about the fact that much of the Iranian leadership would press a button that made Israel magically disappear without additional consequence, if they could...following that, what would they be willing to sacrifice to do it? If you don't think there is any possibility that Iran would want Israel gone, that's fine. At least come out and say it.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > much of the Iranian leadership would press a button that made Israel magically disappear without additional consequence, if they could Much of every country's leadership would do this to their adversaries. That shows credible intent, not a credible threat.
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  - Supermancho 4y ago
    > That shows credible intent, not a credible threat. There is motive. There is opportunity. The lacking element is means. There are a large number of conditions (access to nuclear ordinace, among others) wherein means is achieved. Threat is not simply about what means exist now, but the conditions and consequences of change. The world conditions ensure it's a credible threat and countries take it seriously, despite your misgivings.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > lacking element is means Apparent capability is an important component of threat credibility under practically every military doctrine. The more fundamental question is: does this represent a policy stance or domestic messaging point? One can reasonably disagree on the answer. But the quotes I've been shown sound more like bluster than actual threats. For evidence of Iran's belligerence, these statements are relatively par for the course. (Their extraterritorial meddling makes a stronger pitch for credible intent and threat.)
edanm 4y ago
> By God’s grace, the Palestinian nation will certainly gain victory over the enemies and will witness the day when the fabricated Zionist regime will be eradicated. Is it not a credible threat because they don't have means? 'Cause I'm not sure what you might mean otherwise.
Fatnino 4y ago
What sort of antisemitism are you growing in your garden at home?

llimos 4y ago

and another one: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784 (How on earth these are still up on Twitter is a separate discussion)